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#! rnews 3228 bsd Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!nntp.coast.net!news.dacom.co.kr!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!newsfeeder.ust.hk!nntp.hk.super.net!news.iij.ad.jp!news.CET.CO.JP!usenet From: Michael Hancock <michaelh@cet.co.jp> Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.aix Subject: Re: ISP hardware/software choices (performance comparison) Date: 13 Jan 1996 01:08:52 GMT Organization: CATENA Enterprise Technologies Lines: 69 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <4d70n5$6lp@diablo.cet.co.jp> References: <4cmopu$d35@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <4crnbe$8a@olympus.nwnet.net> <4cs2kn$kfg@cynic.portal.ca> <4cu7t0$mg5@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> <4cv8j1$59k@park.uvsc.edu> <4cvjpk$rpf@durban.vector.co.za> <4d4s3u$u3@news.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a07m.cet.co.jp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:1939 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:2084 comp.unix.solaris:57175 comp.unix.aix:68665 I guess there is no end to the bickering amoung the various Unix camps. Aren't the Unix wars supposed to be over? The positive side of friendly competition can described by looking at something like the file system. SYSV has s5fs. BSD makes ffs. SYSV adopts ffs calls it ufs and implements it within its vnode/vfs framework. This facilitates the development of new file systems such as vxfs journaling file system, and nfs. The BSD community reimplements vnode/vfs and nfs; and adds stackable vnodes, union mounts, and the portal file system. With WinNT amoung us the bickering needs to end and the Unix vendors need to find new ways to be cooperate and be competive by delivering better quality systems and better service. -mike hancock The Notorious B.S.D. (The Notorious B.S.D.) wrote: >gavin@durban.vector.co.za (Gavin Maltby) wrote: > > >>No developer looks at Solaris 2 and say "I am glad none of those >>features are in SunOS 4". > >i do! from a development standpoint, cramming in more features >guarantees slower performance, and more !BUGS! > > >>OK so having to use the SVID etc in >>development might not be what everyone would love, but I suspect >>that a lot of people like the BSD enviroment just because that is >>what they *know* and they refuse to adapt and learn the intracies >>of the new interface. > >naw, i've used both about an equal amount. While SVR4 looks good in >the manpages, it gets SMOKED by the rock-steady performance of BSD. > >>Solaris = SVR4 + a lot of features! > >gee, great...see my first comment. > >>What you are really bitter about >>is that BSD style UNIX did not win out or reach critical mass over >>SVR4. That's something you just have to deal with---it happened and >>isn't about to unravel. > >by your logic, MS-DOS is great simply because enough pinheads lined >up behind the IBM name and bought, right? > >and now, you say SVR4.* is great because another bunch of dopes saw >the AT&T logo and opened their wallets (Sun, and lots of others) > >i think i'm beginning to see your point....NOT! > > > -- Mike Hancock michaelh@cet.co.jp