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#! rnews 3243 bsd Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.bhp.com.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.ysu.edu!ns.mcs.kent.edu!kira.cc.uakron.edu!odin.oar.net!malgudi.oar.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!news.uidaho.edu!usenet From: "Faried Nawaz" <fn@uidaho.edu> Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: /bin/sh isn't Bourne shell Date: 02 Feb 1996 18:09:48 -0800 Organization: People's Front Against WWW Lines: 68 Sender: nawaz921@waldrog.cs.uidaho.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <imensduplf.fsf@waldrog.cs.uidaho.edu> References: <4ekrik$rlf@eccles.dsbc.icl.co.uk> <xcdensholio.fsf@woodlawn.uchicago.edu> <4enl74$ifr@eccles.dsbc.icl.co.uk> <DM1x4C.GML@deshaw.com> <4eo70i$o7j@eccles.dsbc.icl.co.uk> Reply-To: fn@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: waldrog.cs.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: September Gnus v0.15 In article <4eo70i$o7j@eccles.dsbc.icl.co.uk> ejr@dickens.bra01.icl.co.uk (Ed Randall) writes: $ 'Scuse my ignorance, but who or what is "CSRG" ? computer science research group? not sure. they managed and put together the bsd releases in uc berkeley. $ Er, that's very nice and kind of you "purists", but no thanks. no, you don't understand. the "purist" argument is what you are proposing; that /bin/sh should act like the old svr3 bourne shell; the "standards" argument is that it should comply w posix. $ Is this a case of "the standards are more important than the installed base" $ where in this case, the installed base is any shell script with "#!/bin/sh" at $ the top, where "/bin/sh" means Bourne shell, and includes your very own $ "MAKEDEV" script, distributed with the aforementioned 2.1.0-R ? since new installations are moving towards posix... $ Maybe that's why HP ships a POSIX-compliant shell as /bin/posix-sh (or $ something similar, can't remember the exact name) and leaves /bin/sh as $ good ole' Bourne shell. actually, no more: ; telnet harrier Trying 129.101.119.230... Connected to harrier.csrv.uidaho.edu. Escape character is '^]'. HP-UX harrier B.10.01 A 9000/819 (ttyqe) login: fn Password: Please wait...checking for disk quotas ------------------------------------------------------------- Hi. Welcome to Harrier. ------------------------------------------------------------- QOTD: There is no practical reason to create machine intelligences indistinguishable from human ones. People are in plentiful supply. Should a shortage arise, there are proven and popular methods of making more. The point of using machines ought to be they perform differently than people, and preferably better. -- The Economist -- qotd@uidaho.edu ------------------------------------------------------------- $ echo $0 -sh $ ls -li /bin/sh /usr/bin/sh 4061 -r-xr-xr-x 2 bin bin 405504 Jun 12 1995 /bin/sh 4061 -r-xr-xr-x 2 bin bin 405504 Jun 12 1995 /usr/bin/sh $ alias foo=bar $ foo sh: bar: not found. $ exit logout Connection closed by foreign host. [status 1] ; faried.