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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!inferno.mpx.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!cebaf4.cebaf.gov!recycle.cebaf.gov!doolitt From: doolitt@recycle.cebaf.gov (Larry Doolittle) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.os.linux.development.system Subject: Re: The better (more suitable)Unix?? FreeBSD or Linux Followup-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.os.linux.development.system Date: 16 Feb 1996 13:49:23 GMT Organization: CEBAF Lines: 32 Message-ID: <4g2213$e3f@cebaf4.cebaf.gov> References: <4er9hp$5ng@orb.direct.ca> <4fo1tu$n31@news.jf.intel.com> <DMrCE4.3HF@pe1chl.ampr.org> <4ftjt9$fjs@park.uvsc.edu> <jlemonDMtpAz.3rJ@netcom.com> <4g0l6o$gcl@park.uvsc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: recycle.cebaf.gov X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:14397 comp.os.linux.development.system:18072 Terry Lambert (terry@lambert.org) wrote: : Unordered writes (the result of async writes without delay : ordering) are not only "arguably" unsafe, they are *provably* : unsafe using stochastic methods and/or relatively simple : mathematical models you can find in almost any textbook on : database theory (a file system is a type of database). They are only unsafe if the system crashes. My experience with Linux is that it _doesn't_crash_. I can't speak for FreeBSD, but I can't imagaine you will tell me it's worse. If you care about your data, the system will be on a UPS. If your software is buggy and it crashes, _fix_the_bugs_. If your hardware is buggy and it crashes, either replace it or move your critical data to some other machine. All this sync/async/ordered/log filesystem hoo-rah is interesting and fun, but don't lose sight of the goals: 1. System runs the software you need 2. System stays up forever 3. System runs fast Everything else is ..er.. of trivial importance. : A UPS is insufficient, unless you are willing to certify your : OS a "bug free" and "graceful in the face of resource starvation". Maybe not in theory, but yes in practice. My pentium ran for six months before I had to shut it down because of an extended power outage. - Larry Doolittle ldoolitt@cebaf.gov