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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.os.linux.development.system Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!nntp.coast.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!blackbush.xlink.net!news.asys-h.de!baghira.han.de!dinx.hil.de!xlan.hil.de!ipaschke From: ipaschke@xlan.hil.de (Ingo Paschke) Subject: Re: The better (more suitable)Unix?? FreeBSD or Linux Message-ID: <DMyw8D.Dy@xlan.hil.de> Organization: private X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) References: <4er9hp$5ng@orb.direct.ca> <4fo1tu$n31@news.jf.intel.com> <DMrCE4.3HF@pe1chl.ampr.org> <4ftjt9$fjs@park.uvsc.edu> <jlemonDMtpAz.3rJ@netcom.com> <4g0l6o$gcl@park.uvsc.edu> <4g2213$e3f@cebaf4.cebaf.gov> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 10:38:37 GMT Lines: 40 Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:14606 comp.os.linux.development.system:18327 Hi! doolitt@recycle.cebaf.gov (Larry Doolittle) writes: >Terry Lambert (terry@lambert.org) wrote: >: Unordered writes (the result of async writes without delay >: ordering) are not only "arguably" unsafe, they are *provably* >: unsafe using stochastic methods and/or relatively simple >: mathematical models you can find in almost any textbook on >: database theory (a file system is a type of database). >They are only unsafe if the system crashes. My experience >with Linux is that it _doesn't_crash_. "I don't need no stinkin' seat belts or airbags in my car. It simply doesn't crash." >I can't speak for FreeBSD, but I can't imagaine you will tell me it's >worse. If you care about your data, the system will be on a UPS. If your >software is buggy and it crashes, _fix_the_bugs_. If your hardware is buggy >and it crashes, either replace it or move your critical data to some other >machine. All this sync/async/ordered/log filesystem hoo-rah is interesting >and fun, but don't lose sight of the goals: > 1. System runs the software you need > 2. System stays up forever > 3. System runs fast >Everything else is ..er.. of trivial importance. Uh oh, I think we all forgot it's that trivial: If we want to lose data, we will, but if we don't, we won't... Ciao, Ingo. -- Ingo Paschke Braunschweig, Germany [MIME, Nextmail welcome.]