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Xref: sserve gnu.misc.discuss:6449 comp.os.linux:12167 comp.unix.bsd:6302 Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux,comp.unix.bsd Path: sserve!manuel.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!uunet!europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!cs.weber.edu!terry From: terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) Subject: Re: distributing linux on floppies Message-ID: <1992Oct8.200527.1567@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Sender: news@fcom.cc.utah.edu Reply-To: terry@icarus.weber.edu Organization: Weber State University (Ogden, UT) References: <1992Oct7.040347.425@fcom.cc.utah.edu> <1992Oct7.164402.29427@uc.msc.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 20:05:27 GMT Lines: 62 In article <1992Oct7.164402.29427@uc.msc.edu> fink@et.msc.edu (Paul Fink) writes: > >I think it might be more appropriate for linux distribution to be done >by a user group rather than a for profit company. Not only appropriate, but the only possible mechanism, short of self distribution over a network. From the GPL: "1. You may copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Program's source code as you receive it, in any medium, provided that you conspicuously and appropriately publish on each copy an appropriate copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty; keep intact all the notices that refer to this General Public License and to the absence of any warranty; and give any other recipients of the Program a copy of this General Public License along with the Program. You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy." In particular, the last sentence, "You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy" prevents centralized distribution; this is because only the distributor may make money; no money may be made from at the retail outlet, unless the retail outlet provides direct support or copy production facilities. The only other alternative is that the company producing the copies pays the retailer per copy sold. This is illegal in the US, and, I suspect, elsewhere (it's called a "kickback"). Thus we require technically skilled retailers (ha ha, it is to laugh, it is to make fun of) or legalization of kickbacks. A change in the GPL from "a fee" to "fees" and "the physical act of transferring" to "providing" would fix that by allowing a markup at a distributor and again at a retail outlet. Until then, you aren't going to see things under GPL in retail outlets except as a "free addon" to other packages, such as is currently done with the GNU compilers. The inability of Ingram Micro-D or Softsell or Egghead Software to produce something which the retailer can mark up will keep GPL "protected" software from becoming commodity. The inability of "Joe Schmoe Software" to provide a pallatte of boxed software which they will support will keep distributors (like Ingram and company) from distributing it, and lack of ability to make money on a prepackaged product will keep "Joe Retailer" from selling it, unless "Joe Retailer" is also "Joe Consulting". This is my main problem with GPL (there are others which I've stated before) and the one I think will prevent full packages which can't be incorporated as part of another package from being sold retail, which is currently the only way to reach the large scale distribution necessary to make the GPL software anything other than a hacker/academic curiosity. My 4 cents. Terry Lambert terry@icarus.weber.edu terry_lambert@novell.com --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I have an 8 user poetic license" - me Get the 386bsd FAQ from agate.berkeley.edu:/pub/386BSD/386bsd-0.1/unofficial -------------------------------------------------------------------------------