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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.uoknor.edu!news.nodak.edu!netnews1.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!uw-beaver!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!sdd.hp.com!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!usenet From: Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: Ideal filesystem Date: 9 Mar 1996 22:31:04 GMT Organization: Utah Valley State College, Orem, Utah Lines: 47 Message-ID: <4ht0r9$dfi@park.uvsc.edu> References: <4gejrb$ogj@floyd.sw.oz.au> <4gilab$97u@park.uvsc.edu> <4giqu8$aqk@park.uvsc.edu> <4gira2$a9d@park.uvsc.edu> <hpa.31321eee.I.use.Linux@freya.yggdrasil.com> <4h7t5i$qoh@park.uvsc.edu> <DnoqB4.2sy@pe1chl.ampr.org> <glDH59i00YUvFFjspX@andrew.cmu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hecate.artisoft.com Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.development.system:18984 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:15157 G Sumner Hayes <sumner+@CMU.EDU> wrote: ] Sorry for the second post in rapid succession in reply to the same ] thread, but I thought it a good idea to break the two apart. If you ] were to start implementing a new general purpose filesystem under a ] Unix-like OS, what considerations would be important? What features ] would you find absolutely necessary? What would be nice to have? ] ] I'm considering the idea of implementing a new filesystem for one of ] the free Unices, but I'd like to know how much room for improvement ] there is over FFS/ext2fs and how daunting a task this would be. So ] I'm looking more for a "realistic" ideal filesystem than an impossibly ] perfect one, but difficult ideas are welcome . . . There is a *lot* of room for improvement in file system technology. One good building block would be a variable granularity block store with a flat name space on which you could impose hierarchy, attribution, dirtectory management, inode, and directory storage all seperately. Another good building block would be a nice general order scheduling mechanism based on the "soft updates" work that could be incorporated into any FS. You would build a directed dependency graph given all FS events, and you would insert them into the processing list "soft update"-style using the order node from the graph as an insertion point. EachFS would register "node-to-node" reduction interfaces when the graph was built. This would effectively provide all of the Appendix A FS specific routines in such a way as to prevent the soft update implementation from becoming FS dependent. Basically, in combination, the mechanisms would provide a generic replacement for a block I/o subsystem for use with a VFS framwork (the big pain in the VFS definition is that the top end has a defined interface (VOP), but the bottom end is little more than a system-specific kludge. This should take no more than 10 years to get right. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.