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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!metro!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.cis.okstate.edu!news.ksu.ksu.edu!news.mid.net!newsfeeder.gi.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!usenet From: Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: need secure OS to entrust millions to Date: 16 Mar 1996 20:18:20 GMT Organization: Utah Valley State College, Orem, Utah Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4if7mc$4kh@park.uvsc.edu> References: <4hsv73$d3h@park.uvsc.edu> <Do6395.837.0.macbeth@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> <4i5a8h$ggt@park.uvsc.edu> <Do7rvE.8Ln.0.macbeth@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: hecate.artisoft.com Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.misc:92637 comp.os.linux.development.system:19521 comp.os.linux.networking:32024 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:2680 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:2488 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:15571 richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote: ] In article <4i5a8h$ggt@park.uvsc.edu> Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org> writes: ] >richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote: ] >] it's the existence of ] >] a variable key (which *is* from a known search space) that removes a ] >] system from that category. ] ] >What would you call RSA? What would you call DES? ] ] Neither of these is security through obscurity. Perhaps I'm missing ] your point? I wanted you to call them something other than "security through obscurity". "Security through XXX", where XXX != "obscurity && XXX != "secrecy". What is XXX? To paraphrase the "hammer metaphor", if all I have is set A and set B, something that is not a member of set A looks like a member of set B (another fine example of the excluded middle). Regards, Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.