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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.cis.okstate.edu!newsfeed.ksu.ksu.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nwgw.infi.net!news.infi.net!usenet From: brennanw@richmond.infi.net Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.pc-clone.16bit,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.shell,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.user-friendly Subject: Re: FIVE GOOD REASONS WHY IBM'S ARE BETTER THAN MACS Date: 9 Apr 1996 03:47:33 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 110 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <4kcmkl$i7q@nw002.infi.net> References: <Cyclone-0504961737500001@dial24.trip.net> <31664662.1081143@153.2.170.10> <dke-0604960729360001@adnline68.adnc.com> <31678d59.1170056@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <31685e02.5498255@news.earthlink.net> <4kabef$lfg@acmez.gatech.edu> <3169647e.2324874@news.earthlink.net> <4kc7m3$b7o@acmez.gatech.edu> Reply-To: brennanw@richmond.infi.net NNTP-Posting-Host: h-adjutant.dc.infi.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2.5 Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy:20583 comp.os.msdos.misc:52760 comp.os.os2.advocacy:190357 comp.sys.acorn.advocacy:7593 comp.sys.mac.advocacy:97545 comp.sys.next.advocacy:34473 comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy:2175 comp.unix.advocacy:18358 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:16767 comp.unix.bsd.misc:630 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:2797 comp.unix.machten:2101 comp.unix.pc-clone.16bit:588 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:9119 comp.unix.shell:31300 comp.unix.solaris:65170 comp.unix.user-friendly:3526 In <4kc7m3$b7o@acmez.gatech.edu>, gt0151c@prism.gatech.edu (David Shaw) writes: >hybridv, hybridv writes: > >>i work right next store to a mac store... every day i see at least >>20-30 computer being brought in to be serviced, fixed whatever... i >>have never ever had to use any service place to fix my pc's most mac >>users are so scared of fucking computers when i asked if they opened >>up there computer to see if there video board slipped out they said >>"i might not know what im doing but im not stupid?" what does that >>mean they must think that i bites them that there are 40 million miles >>of wires and vacum tubes just waiting to eat them... oh yeah can > >I hate to tell you this, but statistically Macs cost 50% less to support >than Windows machines. You can't argue with it. You can't dispute it. >It's a fact. Windows machines have more problems, they take longer to >learn, they have more incompatibilities, and they are of consistenly >lower quality. There are problems with all computers, including Macs, PCs, >UNIX boxes, and anything else you come across. But the Mac is by far the >easiest to use, and allows the user to get more done in less time by >not forcing him to troubleshoot every change they make to their configuration. > I run OS/2 on a Pentium at home. I use Mac OS (System 7.3 at the moment) on a PowerPC 610 at work. I'm not going to bother telling you the performance difference between the two, because it's not fair: the PPC is only running at 60 mHz, so the Pentium runs little and big circles around it all day long, RISC or not. But I am going to tell you the most frustrating thing about this damn computer: It keeps crashing. I have to keep re-allocating memory to applications. I can only run two at a time, and that's only if I keep one hidden while I use the other. Run FrameMaker and MS Word at the same time? HAH! I admit, it's easy to network a mac, but this means nothing if you can't get your work done because the thing keeps locking up. I prefer OS/2. I prefer OS/2 because, although it's more difficult to learn, you don't have to dig as deep to configure it. I like more than one mouse button, I like the fact that I can click on a menu and see the list drop down WITHOUT KEEPING THE MOUSE BUTTON PRESSED IN, and most of all I like multitasking and crash protection. I like being able to run windows apps in their own session to keep them from dragging the rest of my system down if they lock up. I like getting on the internet using a rock solid platform with a strong TCPIP connection. And I like being able to leave my computer on all week without having to worry about the screen locking up. > >>ok.... and not all mac users are dumb... but most are and even the >>smart ones are dumb... im shure you not a all powerfull source of info >>on the mac.. you know why? cause YOU cant even find out about the >>peice of crap takeing up space on your desk... > >How do you figure that? My computer rarely breaks, and when i does I can always >fix it in 20 minutes or less. I maintain a mixed network of Macs, PCs, >and UNIX machines at Georgia Tech. We handle TCP/IP, Netware, and Appletalk >packets on a thirty-zone, 14x subnetted network running over 10baseT and >thinnet. We're moving to Futurenet 100Mb/sec ATM right now. We have over 200 >Macs in our building, about 50PCs, someNeXT machines, and some Suns. The >Windows machines account for 80% of our service calls. Hey, my computer rarely breaks too. What a conicidence. The only time it's hosed is when I'm messing around with it. And as far as I'm concerned, that's my fault, not the computers. I like to tinker and to tweak: the Mac seems to say "don't touch, leave me alone, mind your own business, stop thinking." >>and for your win95 >>problems... dunno... maybe your unexperianced pc user just screwed >>things up... i have had my computer "bomb out" :) only once since i >>installed win95.. just because i was running about 10 big programs at >>the same time and my memory "even swap" filled up... just reboot and > >Well, I've watched Windows95 delete itself with the Uninstall Wizard, I've >seen it corrupt its own registry file, I've seen it crash inexplicibly >in Word for Windoze 95, and I've seen it crash while sitting idle. It's >no more stable than MacOS, and compared to my home machine (which is set up >to my specs), it's a lot LESS stable. I'm not going to start in on Windows 95. It's better than windows, I prefer OS/2, I'll leave it at that. >>restart that's it... by the way does your cd rom that comes with your >>mac read 2 session cds? dont listen to the box or anything else you >>have to try it... my macs all said yes they do but none dont unless i >>use a seperate cd... gota go to work.... ill finsih replying > >I can read multisession CDs perfectly. I could read them on My Quadra 660av >before I got my Powermac. Hell, I can read them on the Performa 400 with an >external AppleCD 300+ in the undergraduate lab. I don't know why you are >having problems... maybe you're just too stupid to read the instructions. > I find the macintosh an extremely frustrating machine to work on. I feel penned in and cramped when I'm on it. I can't configure it to make it look more "comfortable," and I can get work done without it flaking out. Uggh. Oh, and the Macs we get there get returned more often than any other kind of computer I've ever worked with anywhere because stuff keeps breaking. Christopher B. Wright (brennanw@richmond.infi.net) Team OS/2 +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- +"We are all born individuals... why is it so many of us die copies?" +(Edward Young) +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- +It's too bad politicians don't eat their young - if they did, the gene +pool would be a lot cleaner. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------