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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!newshost.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!vic.news.telstra.net!news.mira.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.ysu.edu!news.cps.udayton.edu!news.engr.udayton.edu!blackbird.afit.af.mil!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!taurus!adnline329.adnc.com!user From: dke@adnc.com (David K. Every) Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.machten,comp.unix.pc-clone.16bit,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.shell,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.user-friendly Subject: Re: FIVE GOOD REASONS WHY IBM'S ARE BETTER THAN MACS Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 18:01:34 +0100 Organization: Jostens Learning Lines: 126 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <dke-0904961801340001@adnline329.adnc.com> References: <Cyclone-0504961737500001@dial24.trip.net> <31664662.1081143@153.2.170.10> <dke-0604960729360001@adnline68.adnc.com> <31678d59.1170056@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <31685e02.5498255@news.earthlink.net> <4kabef$lfg@acmez.gatech.edu> <3169647e.2324874@news.earthlink.net> <4kc7m3$b7o@acmez.gatech.edu> <4kcmkl$i7q@nw002.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.159.73 Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy:20854 comp.os.msdos.misc:52912 comp.os.os2.advocacy:191094 comp.sys.acorn.advocacy:7707 comp.sys.mac.advocacy:98012 comp.sys.next.advocacy:34552 comp.sys.powerpc.advocacy:2278 comp.unix.advocacy:18569 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:16918 comp.unix.bsd.misc:659 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:2838 comp.unix.machten:2133 comp.unix.pc-clone.16bit:607 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:9145 comp.unix.shell:31383 comp.unix.solaris:65362 comp.unix.user-friendly:3543 In article <4kcmkl$i7q@nw002.infi.net>, brennanw@richmond.infi.net wrote: > I run OS/2 on a Pentium at home. I use Mac OS (System 7.3 at the moment) > on a PowerPC 610 at work. A 610 is a 68040 (actually an LC040) equivelent to a 486 sx. So you probably misquoted the model. > I'm not going to bother telling you the > performance difference between the two, because it's not fair: the PPC is > only running at 60 mHz, so the Pentium runs little and big circles around > it all day long, RISC or not. But I am going to tell you the most > frustrating thing about this damn computer: > > It keeps crashing. Then just like windows or any other OS - you likely have it configured wrong (or are running crappy software). Macs are more stable than PC running windoze (95 or 3.1) if you are seeing otherwise - then get your system fixed. > I have to keep re-allocating memory to applications. Why the hell do you do that? I've had people that didn't know how (or need to) for YEARS! I have to do it about once every 6 months. >I can only run two at > a time, and that's only if I keep one hidden while I use the other. Run > FrameMaker and MS Word at the same time? HAH! Well there is likely your problem. MS programs. They are shit written by a shit company. They are pigs, and you MUST keep up with the latest updates to keep them stable. > I admit, it's easy to > network a mac, but this means nothing if you can't get your work done > because the thing keeps locking up. Like I said - get your system set-up right and you will not have that problem. If OS/2 was locking up on you, would you blame IBM - or try to fix the problem?!?! > I prefer OS/2. I prefer OS/2 because, although it's more difficult to > learn, you don't have to dig as deep to configure it. Yep, those control panels are sure burried (under the apple menu). Whew' those can throw you for a loop. > I like more than one mouse button, $39 on a Mac if its that big a deal. >I like the fact that I can click on a menu and see the list > drop down WITHOUT KEEPING THE MOUSE BUTTON PRESSED IN, An Init if its a big deal. (Popup Folder is one). I find the two cognitive steps slow me down over the one quick mac select-release movement... but thats personal preference. > and most of all I like multitasking and crash protection. I've heard good things about OS/2. However Macs have both - just OS/2's is a little more sophisticated. > I like being > able to run windows apps in their own session to keep them from dragging > the rest of my system down if they lock up. Now there's a plus. Me too... I use SoftWindoze. > I like getting on the internet > using a rock solid platform with a strong TCPIP connection. Macs pretty good - great since OT1.1... but there are some bad Apps on the Mac. Like internet exploder. > And I like > being able to leave my computer on all week without having to worry about > the screen locking up. Screens don't lock up... computers do... but suffice it to say I run a server at work that crashes about once every 3-months - with a heavy Mac load - and I suspect that is because of a Beta of the CD-Rom caching software I've been running. Now realistically I can bring my system down more than that - but I'm a developer... for clients I installed Macs for they were suprised after 2 years when the guy had his first freeze. "The mouse is broken". So Macs can certainly be stable - more likely it has to do with your usage/configuration/applications... and I can get any system to be moody. > Hey, my computer rarely breaks too. What a conicidence. The only time > it's hosed is when I'm messing around with it. And as far as I'm > concerned, that's my fault, not the computers. I like to tinker and to > tweak: the Mac seems to say "don't touch, leave me alone, mind your own > business, stop thinking." Funny... people I've talked to always say "that's easy"... especially when they know on a PC they'd have to go into Autoexec.bat, Config.sys, Win.ini, or RegFile to do the same thing.... but hey, to each his own. I do wish you would give Macs the same consideration you give your PC. When your computer broke you blamed yourself for the config... yet you tinker with the Apps sizes on the Mac and then blame it for crashing?!?! > I'm not going to start in on Windows 95. It's better than windows, I > prefer OS/2, I'll leave it at that. I understand your sentiments. > I find the macintosh an extremely frustrating machine to work on. I feel > penned in and cramped when I'm on it. I can't configure it to make it look > more "comfortable," and I can get work done without it flaking out. Uggh. Sounds like it may be the user and not the computer. For me your words are what watching a windoze user use OS/2 and complain about everything would be like for you. > Oh, and the Macs we get there get returned more often than any other kind > of computer I've ever worked with anywhere because stuff keeps breaking. Thats why they're number 1 in reliability... #1 customer satisfaction... #1 customer repurchase. -- David K. Every | MacKiDo Warrior - Sr. Software Engineer | The Path to the Power of Macintosh! Jostens Learning Corp. |