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#! rnews 3424 bsd Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.bhp.com.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!munnari.OZ.AU!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!news.dkrz.de!news.rrz.uni-hamburg.de!news.Hanse.DE!wavehh.hanse.de!cracauer From: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) Subject: Re: Curious about *BSD History Message-ID: <1996Apr15.133559.5880@wavehh.hanse.de> Organization: BSD User Group Hamburg References: <4kh916$1pa@cynic.portal.ca> <4kl863$rno@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> <1996Apr12.210743.28292@wavehh.hanse.de> <4kouvl$jh4@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 96 13:35:59 GMT Lines: 61 Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:17554 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:3106 volker@carlotta.iam.uni-bonn.de (Volker A. Brandt) writes: >In article <1996Apr12.210743.28292@wavehh.hanse.de> cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) writes: >>volker@carlotta.iam.uni-bonn.de (Volker A. Brandt) writes: >>My newsfeed missed Jordan's and the previous post, could someone mail >>them to me, please? >Hope s.o. did that, because I don't have them any more ... >>>Indeed. I have the bounce-buffer problem. However, I also believe in >>>portability, and have an Atari TT. There are always some tradeoffs >>>involved. >> >>If you want a NetBSD-like OS that runs on i386 and Atari, you might >>try OpenBSD. >But NetBSD runs just fine on an Atari TT. I meant, if you want and OS for the Atatri and the PC *with* bounce-buffers. >>Some of NetBSD's developers want a bounce-buffer solution that is not >>specific to one spefic kind of device or one kind of machine. For >>example, the DEC Alpha machines have ISA bus, but to use ISA cards >>with DMA you *always* have to use bounce buffers, even with 16 MB of >>RAM. >> >>The implementation should share as much code as possible for different >>tasks and abstracts the details so that adding additional usage for >>bounce buffers is less work. >Agreed. I am willing to wait for a thought-out solution. Also, the only >alternative would be to do it myself :-) As I said, I think somewhere are patches for NetBSD. Integrating OpenBSD's Bouncers into NetBSD should be easy. >>I can't resist, sorry, but let me say that you bought a machine and a >>SCSI controller that cannot use more than 16 MB of RAM. Now you put 24 >>MB of RAM in it and want your OS to fix it. Mumble... >At the time I bought the system, I would have been more than happy if I had >had the money to get an EISA system, but I didn't. End of story. PCI, >you ask? Barely on the market, buggy and not affordable either. Yes, yes, yes, I sould have kept my mouth shut. But... I assume you started with 16 MB of RAM. Why didn't you use the money for 8 MB of RAM to exchange your Motherboard to - say - an Asus SP3G. Those have been reliable for quite a long time now. A 16 MB SP3G board with a fast harddisk may be faster for a lot of jobs than a 24 MB ISA/1542 machine (not for interactive X11 work with more than xterm+xbiff, though :-). Bounce buffers or not, I hope you find the right OS in this rich BSD family :-/ Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer <cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de> - BSD User Group Hamburg BSD, Lisp and other programming info http://www.bik-gmbh.de/~cracauer