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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!inferno.mpx.com.au!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!munnari.OZ.AU!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!smyrna.cc.vt.edu!stellr From: stellr@smyrna.cc.vt.edu (Ray Stell) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.admin Subject: Re: named log question Followup-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.admin Date: 16 Apr 1996 15:20:18 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 52 Message-ID: <4l0dri$6jl@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <ts-1604960854090001@mac.infodirekt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: smyrna.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:17546 comp.unix.admin:40773 Thomas Schreiber (ts@infodirekt.de) wrote: : Something like this is sometimes (seldom) logged by syslogd: : Apr 15 01:39:16 rio named[14343]: Lame server on '28.120.97.194.in-addr.arpa' : (in '120.97.194.IN-ADDR.ARPA'?): [193.98.9.6].53 'ns.hamburg.pop.de': : learnt (A=128.250.1.21,NS=128.250.1.21) : What does named (it runs as secondary nameserver) want to tell me here? : Why doesn't this always appear when named "learns" a new address? : Thomas : w a l k & t a l k __________________________________________ : infodirekt - Thomas Schreiber Tel: +49 89/324796-50 : Frankfurter Ring 193a Fax: +49 89/324796-51 : 80807 Muenchen, Germany email: ts@infodirekt.de : Die Reisesprachfuehrer der neuen Generation : _______________ See you at http://www.infodirekt.de/walktalk -- W H A T I S A L A M E D E L E G A T I O N ? A lame delegation is an instance when a nameserver has been listed as authoritative for a domain, but does not seem to be performing authoritative service for that domain. That is, the nameserver appears to be answering out of its cache instead of out of its data. Note that even a server which is performing secondary service for a domain is still an authoritative server, and should be returning authoritative data. -- See RFC1713 which just hit the streets. It contains an explanation of lame delegation as well as pointers to tools useful for debugging this problem. --- I am receiving a lame delegation on anubis.westmoreland.pa.us. My server is charon.psc.edu. We are not authority for any of the parent domains, and the root servers do not appear to have delegated any of them to us (or anyone?). These are the types of errors that totally baffle me. The .US domain is delegated to VENERA.ISI.EDU. VENERA delegates the WESTMORELAND.PA.US domain to CHARON.PSC.EDU and DNS1.PSC.EDU. If CHARON.PSC.EDU isn't authoritative for this domain, it's a lame delegation. =============================================================== Ray Stell stellr@vt.edu (703) 231-4109 KE4TJC "PLEONASM, n. An army of words escorting a corporal of thought." 1911 A. BIERCE