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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!solace!nntp.uio.no!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.artisoft.com!usenet From: Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Historic Opportunity facing Free Unix (was Re: The Lai/Baker paper, benchmarks, and the world of free UNIX) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 13:48:54 -0700 Organization: Me Lines: 37 Message-ID: <31794DB6.7DE974DF@lambert.org> References: <NELSON.96Apr15010553@ns.crynwr.com> <3175DBD4.167EB0E7@FreeBSD.org> <4l5f31$ijv@solaria.cc.gatech.edu> <3176D081.794BDF32@FreeBSD.org> <4la318$ah3@sidhe.memra.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hecate.artisoft.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; Linux 1.1.76 i486) Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.development.system:21685 comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc:669 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:3298 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:3130 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:17606 comp.os.linux.advocacy:46116 Michael Dillon wrote: ] The fact is that the successful collaborative software ] development projects up to now have been mostly systems ] level stuff like *BSD, Linux, X, wxWindows and so on. If ] we can collect a core team of people who are willing ] to manage an *APPLICATIONS* development project using the ] same collaborative techniques, then we can tap into the ] skills of people who are reasonably good programmers but ] don't have the mindset to dig into SCSI driver race ] conditions and VM paging systems etc... ] ] These really are two separate groups of people so I don't ] think it would have any negative effects on the *BSD or ] Linux projects. I don't think this works. In practice, we reaaly have two groups of people: those who burn their free time playing with computers and those who don't. I'd argue that the people you are talking about belong to the second group -- they aren't willing to cook a bunch of Saturdays on building "Word for X windows". The people in the first group quickly become systems level people. They tend to be into it for the challenge, and finding SCSI driver race conditions (per your example) is a heck of a lot more challenging than getting the cursor to the right screen location. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.