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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!solace!nntp.uio.no!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.artisoft.com!usenet From: Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Historic Opportunity facing Free Unix (was Re: The Lai/Baker paper, benchmarks, and the world of free UNIX) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:46:27 -0700 Organization: Me Lines: 71 Message-ID: <31769C13.501FEBBD@lambert.org> References: <4ki055$60l@Radon.Stanford.EDU> <jdd.829261293@cdf.toronto.edu> <yfglok14n5r.fsf@time.cdrom.com> <31702487.420C2193@lambert.org> <yfg3f67giw7.fsf@time.cdrom.com> <31718ED3.555EB900@lambert.org> <yfgd959fo96.fsf@time.cdrom.com> <199604161719.SAA02142@kythera.demon.co.uk> <31740061.389946B0@lambert.org> <199604172235.XAA05829@kythera.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: hecate.artisoft.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; Linux 1.1.76 i486) Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.development.system:21879 comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc:729 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:3370 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:3211 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:17783 comp.os.linux.advocacy:46468 Ray Auchterlounie wrote: ] >I've often thought that X should provide an object interface, ] >and that look-and-feel should be implemented in X server -- ] >like the window manager should be. ] ] ...well _that_ should take some of the heat off Lai & Baker... ;-) ] ] <Fx: ducks, Nomex suit on... > ] ] Actually, I agree. Could make X an awful lot more usable for remote ] clients over slow networks for a start. A picture is worth a thousand words? ======================================================================= Application server Management server X Server ,------------------. ,------------------. ,--------------. | Application | | | Window manager | | | Hardware | |----+---------. | | |----+---------. | | | Acceleration | | | GUI lib | | | | | GUI lib | | | | | | `----. | | A | `---------| | B |--------------| | xlib | * | | | | xlib | | | | X | |---------+----+---| | |--------------+---| | |--------------| | system | | | system | | | system | `------------------' `------------------' `--------------' | | ^ | | ^ | | | | | | | `---------------' `-----------------' | `--------------------------------------------------------' An application can make a request, like "draw a listbox", and the window manager can satisfy that request using the GUI lib it was linked with and the X lib it was linked with. Instead of it being satisfied locally by making X requests (GUI lib area marked '*'). This establishes an additional (optional) communicatons channel between the application and the window manager, and the window manager renders objects on behalf of the application. It's really quite irrelevant if we draw the line at 'A' or 'B' (or at both 'A' *and* 'B' and run the window manager on a third machine). I happen to prefer to draw it at 'A' because of wire traffic savings -- it's much cheaper to make a "listbox request" than it is to make a bunch of draw requests. The application believes it has the same GUI. It uses the same source code. As a matter of fact, if implemented correctly, only the shared library need change. If the application doesn't violate style guidelines and make itself more difficult to learn and use without additional training, then the application's entire "look and feel" will come through proxy calls from the window manager. Want a different look and feel? Change window managers. If you pick a window manager that the GUI lib can't establish a channel to, then it falls back to the local library. Applications using subclassing could, optionally, turn this off intentionally so that they could look like OpenLook applications on a Motif system (violating the system style guidelines, but keeping their precious deviations from the application library style guidelines intact). ======================================================================= Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.