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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!news.mira.net.au!vic.news.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!psgrain!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!crazytrain.eos.ncsu.edu!not-for-mail From: kpneal@eos.ncsu.edu (Kevin P. Neal) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Historic Opportunity facing Free Unix (was Re: The Lai/Baker paper, benchmarks, and the world of free UNIX) Followup-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 23 Apr 1996 05:19:35 GMT Organization: The House of RetroComputing Lines: 117 Message-ID: <4lhp98$k5h@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <4ki055$60l@Radon.Stanford.EDU> <4lg7al$ap4@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> <4lg85t$42f@news.hic.net> <4lgvk6$enc@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> <4lhl4a$kpu@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: crazytrain.eos.ncsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.development.system:21963 comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc:751 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:3396 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:3238 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:17844 comp.os.linux.advocacy:46602 Ravi K. Swamy (rkswamy@unity.ncsu.edu) wrote: : [because I'm feeling silly tonight...] : : In article <4lgvk6$enc@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>, : Kevin P. Neal <kpneal@eos.ncsu.edu> wrote: : >Charles A. Tilbury (ctilbury@hic.net) wrote: : : >Most of the world believes that PCs are the end-all be-all computer. : >I once had a person ask me (concerning my Amiga) "Does it run PC : >programs?" No "Well, does it run Mac programs?" Nope "Well, what : : I thought Mattingly was bragging to me about running Mac 68k : programs on his Amiga? : I hadn't heard of the Emplant, or whatever that other one was, at this point in my life (like, 10th grade or so). Anyway, I didn't *Own* one, and I didn't own a bridgeboard, so my machine couldn't run PC or Mac programs at that point, in any event. BTW, Mattingly sold his NetBSD/Amiga box and replaced it with a new, fast, Linux (Caldera) box. He uses fvwm because he says that the Caldera desktop thingie sucks, and uses too much RAM. : >does it run?" Amiga programs. "Oh, really?" Sigh. : > : >Most of the journalists I have been exposed to tend to write about how : >people should buy a PC, I mean it works for them, right? : : Their idea of "works" is quite silly... : They get things done. : >My Dad bought my brother a Win95 box for Christmas. Now Dad is learning about : >all of the crap that Windows brings along with it. He asks me: : >"So why do people put up with all of this?" Because, Dad, this is : >*normal* to most people. : : Sorry, with all respect to your dad and all, you said he supports : the CDA so I can't say I feel sorry for him. I take it your : brother is nothing like you? He should have bought a Mac. : 1) True, he is dumb enough to support the CDA. Gotta protect the children, right? 2) Mac's don't have as many games and stuff available. They are pushed like PC's at the mall (I mean, you can't walk thru the mall without seeing a PC do something neat). 3) Eric (my brother) has this problem of having too many girls after him. I tell him to quit complaining cause I don't wanna hear it. Eric is not like me. : >Journalists included. You never ever hear about how, for example, : >Plug and Play has problems. : : Actually I do sometimes, especially from Mac users who have had : it for a decade or so. : How about Journalists who have Macs and write about them? BTW, isn't ISA the only bus left in use that you can't configure in a device independent way (as in, you don't have to know the mystical order to do probes in). My Amiga never had problems either, and it's had a Zorro bus forever. : > Because : >the vast majority of users, journalists included, consider this to be : >normal. What Free Unix needs is reporters in high places who support : >our view. : > : >I tend to discount any media coverage of computers in general, they tend : >to screw up. : : Who is paying their bills as in advertising? Think about it. : Point. : >Another example of a local journalist saying something dumb: : >This university (NCSU) has around 27,000 students. We have an extensive : >Public Safety force, to the point where I (a male) feel perfectly fine : >walking around on campus at 4 in the morning. : : 4 am? Isn't that when you usually go to Riddick? :) No, that's when I'm *leaving* Riddick. C'mon, get it right or you will hear about it over lunch tomorrow! : : >That's what I mean by news "bias". Sorry for being long winded. : >Oh, and this message was brought to you by my Windows 95 laptop, : >an IBM thinkpad that doesn't run IBM's OS/2 because it doesn't work : >very well on this IBM equipment. Also, I'm posting from a : >Dec Alpha running NetBSD. Attribute typos to 95% OK Win95 vt100 emulation. : : Does crazytrain actually get used for anything besides running tin? :) : Well yeah, it also runs a web server. A web server that has cgi-bin in every home directory (can you say grading on the purity test? I knew you could.). : >Well, I'm in a city now, like it, and am in the process of getting out : >from behind my computer. Scary, huh? : : Whoo hoo, that is scary. : -- XCOMM Kevin P. Neal, Sophomore, Comp. Sci. \ kpneal@interpath.com XCOMM Frue, Secret Agent of Smerp (shh!) \ kpneal@eos.ncsu.edu XCOMM Visit the House of RetroComputing at / Perm. Email: XCOMM http://www4.ncsu.edu/~kpneal/www/ / kevinneal@bix.com