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From: kevinb@netcom.com (Kevin Brown)
Subject: Re: Historic Opportunity facing Free Unix (was Re: The Lai/Baker paper, benchmarks, and the world of free UNIX)
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:04:50 GMT
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In article <Dpz1qL.n1G@deere.com>, Con Sultant <jkane@execpc.com> wrote:
>nelson@ns.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) wrote:
>>If they could buy a computer with Linux and (a fully functional) Wine
>>installed, they would use it with no hesitation.
>
>I am about to get my a** flamed for stepping in where Phoenix's dare
>tread, But you have just tripped my trigger!!
>
>IBM Think blue for a moment! If you think for a moment ANY Free UNIX
>could just add a Windows emulator and make a go of it on that fact, think
>again. IBM tried it in OS/2. THey have barely nicked MicroGiant and
>they have the marketing clout to back them up!!
While I do believe that a Windows emulator isn't enough, please
realize that one of the biggest reasons OS/2 hasn't fared as well as
it might is that IBM has been incompetent in a *huge* way. About the
only reason OS/2 is still around at all is that there are a number of
people out there who are able to look beyond marketing hype and press
reports and to whom the relative lack of available applications is not
that important.
Consider: IBM has hardly advertised OS/2 at all. They fail to preload
it by default on *their own* machines. They fail to combat bad press.
They have given greater support to NT than to OS/2 on the PowerPC
platform. All these things say that IBM really doesn't give a shit
about OS/2. With competition like that, Microsoft doesn't *need*
friends.
>Let's be happy that we have the application server world and keep working
>in that direction. Any attempt to push MicroGiant over, will result in
>embarrasment. Just take heart in the fact that NT is an attempt by
>MicroGiant to be as good as any UNIX!!!!
You should learn a little more from history. NT might not be up to
snuff in the server market *now*, but are you going to bet that this
situation will *stay* that way? I wouldn't.
WHEN (not if) NT becomes good *enough* for the server market,
companies will start to use it for server duty, as long as it's what
they're running on their desktop systems as well. It should be
obvious to anyone with a brain that NT or a derivative thereof is
Microsoft's next *client* OS. Since manpower is the largest cost in
most companies, companies are going to want to leverage their client
administrative expertise to run their servers as well. That's not
currently possible as neither Win3.1 nor Win95 is server material.
The ultimate key to the server market is the client market. The
reason for that is that there are many more instances of clients than
servers, and the disparity between clients and servers will continue
to decrease as commodity hardware becomes more powerful and as client
OSes continue to gain server capabilities.
--
Kevin Brown kevin@frobozz.sccsi.com
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