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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mira.net.au!news.vbc.net!news.cais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!hydraulix.bangor.ac.uk!yama.mcc.ac.uk!rmplc!SoNet!uknet!str-ccsun!not-for-mail From: nbc@vulture.dmem.strath.ac.uk (Neil Brendan Clark) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Historic Opportunity facing Free Unix (was Re: The Lai/Baker paper, benchmarks, and the world of free UNIX) Date: 25 Apr 1996 01:28:43 +0100 Organization: University of Strathclyde Lines: 57 Message-ID: <4lmgvr$abn@vulture.dmem.strath.ac.uk> References: <4ki055$60l@Radon.Stanford.EDU> <4laudl$q55@news.duke.edu> <4lgq8c$ffc@vulture.dmem.strath.ac.uk> <4lh1q0$6vj@news.duke.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vulture.dmem.strath.ac.uk Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.development.system:22200 comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc:809 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:3472 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:3327 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:18050 comp.os.linux.advocacy:46949 In article <4lh1q0$6vj@news.duke.edu>, Charles Reese <reese@chem.duke.edu> wrote: >nbc@vulture.dmem.strath.ac.uk (Neil Brendan Clark) wrote: >>Charles Reese <reese@chem.duke.edu> wrote: > >The point I was trying to make is that to really use any complex program >well requires practice so most people are reluctant to change unless >there is a very pressing reason. Thats not just Windows to Unix but Mac >to Windows, Windows to Mac etc. I agree only too well with on this point - but one of my main gripes with MS is that despite claiming their software is "easy", it is in fact anything but. You said yourself it has taken you several years to get to grips with some of their applications - IMHO this is too much, especially for someone who is not a compuer scientist and has valuable real work to do. I know this to be true; the first "word processor" my girlriend used was LaTeX. and she had very little problems using it. Now at her work she is having to use MS efforts, and she has major problems! Go figure... I suppose it's all just part of chewing the Microsoft(R) Brick(TM). >I didn't mean to make my argument against trying to take over Windows >with free Unix a personal one. I think my attitude is representative of >the bulk of people who use Windows now. Sorry, I didn't take it that way, and you are of course correct. It just makes me so mad, that attitude. Every day at my work I get people coming in asking one of my colleagues to help them with their MS products, there seems to be a never ending stream of them. It's always, "Oh, you can't use DOS 6.2 doublewhizz because you have now moved to DOS 6.21 and they are incompatible blah blah..." ;-) Me, I don't like the taste of ovened clay ;-) >http://www.adeptscience.co.uk/act for a demo program) and I just tried to > compile a custom FreeBSD kernel and, following the directions in the >Handbook, all seemed to go well except that there was no file name kernel >after it was done and no error message! Que Pasa? Strange! Did you do a "make install" after the compile had finished, whihc dumps the kernel in the / directory, ready for your next reboot? >Please don't make me a Microsoft partisan, I didn't mean to :-( - you are using FreeBSD, so how could you be! >Note that I haven't switched to Win 95. Good move. BTW, if you want a giggle, check out the fvwm95 window manager in the ports directory of FreeBSD - it's *wicked*! -- Neil Clark Transparent Telepresence Group <http://telepresence.dmem.strath.ac.uk/>