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#! rnews 6253 bsd Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mira.net.au!inquo!in-news.erinet.com!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.interserv.net!news1.sprynet.com!news From: Stephane Russell <sstef@sprynet.com> Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD ... Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 04:32:32 -0400 Organization: MSI Bureautique Inc. Lines: 125 Message-ID: <3191ADA0.41C67EA6@sprynet.com> References: <3188C1E2.45AE@onramp.net> <4mnsc5$6qo@sundial.sundial.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dd09-019.compuserve.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) Bryan J. Smith, E.I. wrote: > > Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD ... > > This is really the only advantage to FreeBSD -- they are a controlled [...] > Linux, since it is written from the ground-up, is a much more efficient OS > than FreeBSD (which has been written somewhat from the ground up, to prevent > a lawsuit from BSDI, is still a lot of legacy OS code). And FreeBSD v2.1 is > a little dated (late '94) and the current test version is still quite buggy. > [...] > Downloading a complete FreeBSD system along with a good number of packages > took me 16 hours @ 28.8Kbaud (saving me the CD-cost and the agony of messing > with an alpha-quality IDE/ATAPI CD-ROM driver) and takes up only about 150MB. > [...] > In essence, Linux has the latest and greatest software and drivers (only a [...] > If you can run Linux, it's the better choice unless your going to run a lot [etc, etc, etc, ...] > > BRYAN J. SMITH, E.I. b.j.smith@ieee.org > Systems Engineer http://www.sundial.net/~bjsmith/ When I read this and all the other news articles alike, I understand more why Windows is selling better than Unices. It's amazing to see how every Unix groups are fighting against each others all the time. I'm a DOS/Windows programmer that have turned to Unix. I don't understand how such a small market can allow itself to fight like that instead of teaming up. The only true winner in all of this will be Microsoft. I have FreeBSD, and I'm very happy with it. And I would bet that any Linux/NetBSD and other free Unices users feels the same about their own OS. What's the problem? Every time another Unix user wan't to make me feel I've chosen the wrong operating system, it makes me feel bad. In Windows, at least, you always have the feeling you're working in the same side than the others Windows users. Fustrated together, but working together! Windows is not that a bad operating system, and I know for sure that if the Unix world don't stop their internal unuseful fights, they won't have a bright futur when Windows NT will be a more competing and lower cost product. Don't forget that Microsoft target is to see one day Windows NT on every desktop computers of the world. And Microsoft certainly have the resources to do so. To really take the pulse of the market, I recommend the reading of the may Byte issue (http://www.byte.com). The article «Unix vs Windows NT» really shows the weaknesses (and strongness) that ALL Unices are stuck with. Division, Lack of graphical, available, tools of any kind, lack of strong Unix standards, especially for the GUI apps integration, and the like: « NT is winning more mind share among users. It's new, it's hot, it's from Microsoft, and it has "Windows" in its name. Unix suffers from discrimination against old age and from disunity among vendors. People who cut their teeth on Windows are moving into authority and will increasingly look toward Microsoft for solutions. » [...] « Microsoft has strong tools strategy with Visual Basic, VB for Applications, VB Script, Visual C++, and OLE. However, as users become more Internet-savvy and multiplatform-minded, that strategy must become less proprietary and Window-based. Sun has blazed a path with Java that Microsoft needs to follow.» Mike Nash, the group product manager for Windows NT Server, is shortly pointing the specific division problem very well in the «Unix vs Windows NT: The (Edited) Vendors' View» article (May Byte, p. 44-45): « All attempts have failed to deliver the promised Unix integration. These efforts will continue to fail. Giving customers the freedom to switch between Unix systems would eliminate the competitive edge these companies have over each other. » This holds also for the free Unices, it seems. And what about Windows 95, OS/2 and MAC computers? Are they leaving room for those fights? All of them have strong features that Unices have to compete with. Why fighting then? After all, the multiplicity of Unices is probably it's best asset. Every kind of Unix exist for every kind of needs. BSDI is compatible with FreeBSD? Good! Corporate users who wan't business support will prefer BSDI and home computer users will love FreeBSD for it's low cost. Those who need wide hardware support will take Linux while those who needs protability will take NetBSD. In Windows NT, your stuck with Windows NT. That's it, that's all! And even there, isn't Microsoft now offering 3 different versions of former unique Windows product? Multiplicity is not necessarly a market killer. Every new Unix user is, before all, a new Unix user. It always have been more easy to port a program from SCO to FreeBSD than from Windows to FreeBSD. It always have been more easy to switch from one Unix to another than from Windows to Unix. That's why I don't care if there is more Linux users than FreeBSD users. Each of them are on the same side, but have different needs. Above all, I am sure that Free Unices are originating from a group of people (makers and users) who have fun with what their doing. That's probably why free Unices are the right product for all of us. The day the fun will be over, free Unices will be history. So, let's not make it a more serious thing than it should be with those argues. Let's continue to have fun! :-))) Stef -- # Place your signature information here Name <user@my.domain> | Joke City, Country |