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From: nickkral@equuleus.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Nick Kralevich)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Advocacy in comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc (was Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD ...)
Date: 17 May 1996 04:19:06 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Computer Science Department, University of California at Berkeley
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In article <319BD8E3.10D67C49@lambert.org>,
Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org> wrote:
>] The purpose of a *.misc group is to cover any topic that isn't
>] directly covered by another newsgroup.
>
>The purpose of comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc is *NOT* to "cover any
>topic that isn't directly covered by another newsgroup. Read
>the UVV posted charter for the group. It is not an advocacy
>group.
The following is taken from
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/comp/comp.unix.bsd-reorg
It is heavily edited to bring out the important points.
----- Begin -----
From: Kaleb Keithley <kaleb@x.org>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.announce,comp.os.386bsd.apps,comp.os.386bsd.bugs,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.os.386bsd.questions
Subject: RFD: comp.unix.bsd reorganization
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 23 Nov 1994 15:10:48 -0500
SUMMARY:
Create fourth levels in comp.unix.bsd: c.u.b.{386bsd,bsdi,freebsd,netbsd}
Create topic groups: comp.unix.bsd.*
After a transition period: delete comp.os.386bsd
NEW GROUPS:
The proposal is to create nine new groups. They are:
comp.unix.bsd.misc
comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc
comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.announce
comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc
comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.announce
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce -- moderated by Jordan Hubbard
comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc
comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.announce -- moderated by Chris Demetriou
*.386bsd.announce and *.bsdi.announce groups need moderators. In the
event that no volunteers step forward during the RFD the announce
groups will be withdrawn from the RFD and CFV.
Jordan Hubbard -- jkh@freefall.cdrom.com
Chris Demetriou -- cgd@alpha.bostic.com or cgd@agate.berkeley.edu
RATIONALE:
There are now at least four independent variations of operating
systems derived from UC Berkeley's BSD Net2 and/or 4.4lite UNIX source
distributions. Currently discussion of these four fall into either
comp.unix.bsd or one of the comp.os.386bsd groups. c.o.386bsd.* was
originally intended for discussion about Bill and Lynn Jolitz'
particular derivative, known as 386BSD. Over the past two years two
splinter groups have spun off variations of 386BSD known as FreeBSD
and NetBSD; and BSDI, Inc. has a commercial offering known as BSD/OS,
formerly known as BSD/386.
Discussion specific to 386BSD has tapered off to near nil as the
original authors have apparently ceased to support it. Most traffic
in the existing comp.os.386bsd groups centers around either FreeBSD
or NetBSD and occasionally BSDI's BSD/OS.
It seems that the BSD user community might be better served by having
groups specifically related to the variation that they are using.
Despite their common ancestry, the differences between the goals and
feature sets are quite wide, and it is often confusing to differentiate
between them when discussion is all lumped into the same group.
Furthermore, NetBSD has, and FreeBSD will soon have, support for other
architectures, so grouping them in a hierarchy whose name suggests
that it is devoted to the Intel x86 family is definitely inappropriate.
While comp.os.386bsd currently has several groups in its hierarchy, the
current level of 386BSD specific traffic in them doesn't seem to warrant
replicating those groups under this proposal. Additional groups can be
added in the future as needs dictate.
CHARTERS:
[deleted]
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce:
This newsgroup is for announcements relating to the FreeBSD
operating system. Things appropriate for the .announce group
would include announcements of new versions of FreeBSD,
announcements of major software releases (both commercial
and freely redistributable) for FreeBSD (e.g. new version of
X11 for FreeBSD), announcements of fixes for major bugs, and
the like. FAQs relating to FreeBSD should also be cross-posted
to this group.
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:
Discussion about FreeBSD which does not fall into the area
of coverage of any of the other freebsd groups. Things posted
here should not be crossposted to the other freebsd groups.
[deleted]
From: ikluft@amdahl.com (Ian Kluft)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.386bsd.announce,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.apps,comp.os.386bsd.bugs,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.os.386bsd.questions
Subject: CFV: comp.unix.bsd reorganization
Date: 26 Jan 1995 18:02:23 -0500
Organization: UVV - UseNet Volunteer Votetakers
FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
COMP.UNIX.BSD REORGANIZATION
unmoderated group comp.unix.bsd.misc
- replaces comp.unix.bsd
unmoderated group comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc
- replaces comp.os.386bsd.{apps|bugs|development|misc|questions}
moderated group comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.announce
- replaces comp.os.386bsd.announce
unmoderated group comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc
moderated group comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.announce
unmoderated group comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
moderated group comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce
unmoderated group comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc
moderated group comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.announce
Newsgroups lines:
comp.unix.bsd.misc BSD operating systems
comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc 386BSD operating system
comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.announce announcements pertaining to 386BSD
comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc BSD/OS operating system
comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.announce announcements pertaining to BSD/OS
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc FreeBSD operating system
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce announcements pertaining to FreeBSD
comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc NetBSD operating system
comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.announce announcements pertaining to NetBSD
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 GMT, 16 February 1995.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact Ian Kluft (ikluft@amdahl.com). For questions about
the proposed groups contact Kaleb Keithley (kaleb@x.org).
OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV
The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the UseNet newsgroups
to which it is posted including news.announce.newgroups and the e-mail server
at bsd-cfv-request@amdahl.com.
CHARTERS
[deleted]
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce:
Moderated by Jordan Hubbard <jkh@freefall.cdrom.com>
This newsgroup is for announcements relating to the FreeBSD
operating system. Things appropriate for the .announce group
would include announcements of new versions of FreeBSD,
announcements of major software releases (both commercial
and freely redistributable) for FreeBSD (e.g. new version of
X11 for FreeBSD), announcements of fixes for major bugs, and
the like. FAQs relating to FreeBSD should also be cross-posted
to this group.
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:
Discussion about FreeBSD which does not fall into the area
of coverage of any of the other freebsd groups. Things posted
here should not be crossposted to the other freebsd groups.
[deleted]
From: ikluft@amdahl.com (Ian Kluft)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.386bsd.announce,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.apps,comp.os.386bsd.bugs,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.os.386bsd.questions
Subject: RESULT: comp.unix.bsd reorganization passes
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 20 Feb 1995 14:56:42 -0500
Organization: UVV - UseNet Volunteer Votetakers
RESULT
COMP.UNIX.BSD REORGANIZATION
Voting for the comp.unix.bsd reorganization vote ended 23:59:59 GMT,
16 February 1995. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. For
questions about voting procedures only contact Ian Kluft <ikluft@amdahl.com>.
For questions about the newsgroups contact Kaleb Keithley <kaleb@x.org>.
There were 426 valid votes submitted during the voting period. Each proposed
newsgroup, in order to pass, must have at least 2/3 YES votes and at least
100 more YES than NO votes. The results are as follows:
comp.unix.bsd reorganization results - 426 valid votes
Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
341 64 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.unix.bsd.misc
285 87 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc
291 84 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.announce
305 69 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc
312 70 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.announce
334 68 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
338 69 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce
332 67 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc
332 70 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.announce
10 invalid votes
All parts of the proposal passed.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the newsgroups shortly thereafter.
The following newsgroups will be removed on 22 May 1995.
comp.unix.bsd (replaced by comp.unix.bsd.misc)
comp.os.386bsd.apps (replaced by comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc)
comp.os.386bsd.bugs (replaced by comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc)
comp.os.386bsd.development (replaced by comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc)
comp.os.386bsd.misc (replaced by comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc)
comp.os.386bsd.questions (replaced by comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc)
comp.os.386bsd.announce (replaced by comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.announce)
The remainder of the results contains
Newsgroups Lines
Charters
Final Voting Acknowledgements
Voting Analysis
NEWSGROUPS LINES
comp.unix.bsd.misc BSD operating systems.
comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc 386BSD operating system.
comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.announce announcements pertaining to 386BSD.
comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc BSD/OS operating system.
comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.announce announcements pertaining to BSD/OS.
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc FreeBSD operating system.
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce announcements pertaining to FreeBSD.
comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc NetBSD operating system.
comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.announce announcements pertaining to NetBSD.
CHARTERS
[deleted]
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce:
Moderated by Jordan Hubbard <jkh@freefall.cdrom.com>
This newsgroup is for announcements relating to the FreeBSD
operating system. Things appropriate for the .announce group
would include announcements of new versions of FreeBSD,
announcements of major software releases (both commercial
and freely redistributable) for FreeBSD (e.g. new version of
X11 for FreeBSD), announcements of fixes for major bugs, and
the like. FAQs relating to FreeBSD should also be cross-posted
to this group.
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:
Discussion about FreeBSD which does not fall into the area
of coverage of any of the other freebsd groups. Things posted
here should not be crossposted to the other freebsd groups.
[deleted]
comp.unix.bsd reorganization Final Vote Ack
comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.announce -----------+
comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc ----------+|
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce ---------+||
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc --------+|||
comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.announce -------+||||
comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc ------+|||||
comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.announce -----+||||||
comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc ----+|||||||
comp.unix.bsd.misc ---+||||||||
|||||||||
[deleted]
terry@cs.weber.edu Terry Lambert NNNNNNNNN
[deleted]
VOTING ANALYSIS
All dates and times in this section are in US Pacific Time.
The first vote arrived Thu Jan 26 15:12:15 1995.
comp.unix.bsd.misc passed on Sun Jan 29 13:33:52 1995
comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc passed on Mon Jan 30 17:57:24 1995
comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.announce passed on Mon Jan 30 08:44:38 1995
comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc passed on Mon Jan 30 01:36:09 1995
comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.announce passed on Mon Jan 30 02:19:38 1995
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc passed on Sun Jan 29 13:43:31 1995
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce passed on Sun Jan 29 13:43:31 1995
comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc passed on Sun Jan 29 13:43:31 1995
comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.announce passed on Sun Jan 29 13:46:10 1995
The daily vote arrival rates are shown below with notes on factors which
could possibly or probably have affected them. Also shown are the dates
>from above when each group crossed the threshold of passing.
26 Jan 27 1st CFV posted
27 Jan 75
28 Jan 40 weekend
29 Jan 44 weekend
comp.unix.bsd.misc passes
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc passes
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce passes
comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc passes
comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.announce passes
30 Jan 61 2nd CFV posted
comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc passes
comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.announce passes
comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc passes
comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.announce passes
31 Jan 42
1 Feb 34
2 Feb 21
3 Feb 14
4 Feb 8 weekend
5 Feb 9 weekend
6 Feb 18
7 Feb 14
8 Feb 13
9 Feb 10
10 Feb 6
11 Feb 5 weekend
12 Feb 7 weekend
13 Feb 9
14 Feb 6
15 Feb 4
16 Feb 2 voting ends
This vote was handled by a neutral third-party votetaker from the UseNet
Volunteer Votetakers (UVV). http://www.amdahl.com/ext/uvv/
----- End -----
Take care,
-- Nick Kralevich
nickkral@cory.eecs.berkeley.edu