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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!munnari.OZ.AU!spool.mu.edu!agate!nickkral From: nickkral@equuleus.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Nick Kralevich) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Advocacy in comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc (was Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD ...) Date: 17 May 1996 04:19:06 GMT Organization: Electrical Engineering Computer Science Department, University of California at Berkeley Lines: 348 Message-ID: <4ngunq$oeu@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <3188C1E2.45AE@onramp.net> <4n7mp1$217@jraynard.demon.co.uk> <4n8jin$htl@agate.berkeley.edu> <319BD8E3.10D67C49@lambert.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: equuleus.eecs.berkeley.edu In article <319BD8E3.10D67C49@lambert.org>, Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org> wrote: >] The purpose of a *.misc group is to cover any topic that isn't >] directly covered by another newsgroup. > >The purpose of comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc is *NOT* to "cover any >topic that isn't directly covered by another newsgroup. Read >the UVV posted charter for the group. It is not an advocacy >group. The following is taken from ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/comp/comp.unix.bsd-reorg It is heavily edited to bring out the important points. ----- Begin ----- From: Kaleb Keithley <kaleb@x.org> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.announce,comp.os.386bsd.apps,comp.os.386bsd.bugs,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.os.386bsd.questions Subject: RFD: comp.unix.bsd reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Date: 23 Nov 1994 15:10:48 -0500 SUMMARY: Create fourth levels in comp.unix.bsd: c.u.b.{386bsd,bsdi,freebsd,netbsd} Create topic groups: comp.unix.bsd.* After a transition period: delete comp.os.386bsd NEW GROUPS: The proposal is to create nine new groups. They are: comp.unix.bsd.misc comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.announce comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.announce comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce -- moderated by Jordan Hubbard comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.announce -- moderated by Chris Demetriou *.386bsd.announce and *.bsdi.announce groups need moderators. In the event that no volunteers step forward during the RFD the announce groups will be withdrawn from the RFD and CFV. Jordan Hubbard -- jkh@freefall.cdrom.com Chris Demetriou -- cgd@alpha.bostic.com or cgd@agate.berkeley.edu RATIONALE: There are now at least four independent variations of operating systems derived from UC Berkeley's BSD Net2 and/or 4.4lite UNIX source distributions. Currently discussion of these four fall into either comp.unix.bsd or one of the comp.os.386bsd groups. c.o.386bsd.* was originally intended for discussion about Bill and Lynn Jolitz' particular derivative, known as 386BSD. Over the past two years two splinter groups have spun off variations of 386BSD known as FreeBSD and NetBSD; and BSDI, Inc. has a commercial offering known as BSD/OS, formerly known as BSD/386. Discussion specific to 386BSD has tapered off to near nil as the original authors have apparently ceased to support it. Most traffic in the existing comp.os.386bsd groups centers around either FreeBSD or NetBSD and occasionally BSDI's BSD/OS. It seems that the BSD user community might be better served by having groups specifically related to the variation that they are using. Despite their common ancestry, the differences between the goals and feature sets are quite wide, and it is often confusing to differentiate between them when discussion is all lumped into the same group. Furthermore, NetBSD has, and FreeBSD will soon have, support for other architectures, so grouping them in a hierarchy whose name suggests that it is devoted to the Intel x86 family is definitely inappropriate. While comp.os.386bsd currently has several groups in its hierarchy, the current level of 386BSD specific traffic in them doesn't seem to warrant replicating those groups under this proposal. Additional groups can be added in the future as needs dictate. CHARTERS: [deleted] comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce: This newsgroup is for announcements relating to the FreeBSD operating system. Things appropriate for the .announce group would include announcements of new versions of FreeBSD, announcements of major software releases (both commercial and freely redistributable) for FreeBSD (e.g. new version of X11 for FreeBSD), announcements of fixes for major bugs, and the like. FAQs relating to FreeBSD should also be cross-posted to this group. comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc: Discussion about FreeBSD which does not fall into the area of coverage of any of the other freebsd groups. Things posted here should not be crossposted to the other freebsd groups. [deleted] From: ikluft@amdahl.com (Ian Kluft) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.386bsd.announce,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.apps,comp.os.386bsd.bugs,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.os.386bsd.questions Subject: CFV: comp.unix.bsd reorganization Date: 26 Jan 1995 18:02:23 -0500 Organization: UVV - UseNet Volunteer Votetakers FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) COMP.UNIX.BSD REORGANIZATION unmoderated group comp.unix.bsd.misc - replaces comp.unix.bsd unmoderated group comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc - replaces comp.os.386bsd.{apps|bugs|development|misc|questions} moderated group comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.announce - replaces comp.os.386bsd.announce unmoderated group comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc moderated group comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.announce unmoderated group comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc moderated group comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce unmoderated group comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc moderated group comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.announce Newsgroups lines: comp.unix.bsd.misc BSD operating systems comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc 386BSD operating system comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.announce announcements pertaining to 386BSD comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc BSD/OS operating system comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.announce announcements pertaining to BSD/OS comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc FreeBSD operating system comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce announcements pertaining to FreeBSD comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc NetBSD operating system comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.announce announcements pertaining to NetBSD Votes must be received by 23:59:59 GMT, 16 February 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Ian Kluft (ikluft@amdahl.com). For questions about the proposed groups contact Kaleb Keithley (kaleb@x.org). OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the UseNet newsgroups to which it is posted including news.announce.newgroups and the e-mail server at bsd-cfv-request@amdahl.com. CHARTERS [deleted] comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce: Moderated by Jordan Hubbard <jkh@freefall.cdrom.com> This newsgroup is for announcements relating to the FreeBSD operating system. Things appropriate for the .announce group would include announcements of new versions of FreeBSD, announcements of major software releases (both commercial and freely redistributable) for FreeBSD (e.g. new version of X11 for FreeBSD), announcements of fixes for major bugs, and the like. FAQs relating to FreeBSD should also be cross-posted to this group. comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc: Discussion about FreeBSD which does not fall into the area of coverage of any of the other freebsd groups. Things posted here should not be crossposted to the other freebsd groups. [deleted] From: ikluft@amdahl.com (Ian Kluft) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.386bsd.announce,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.apps,comp.os.386bsd.bugs,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.os.386bsd.questions Subject: RESULT: comp.unix.bsd reorganization passes Followup-To: news.groups Date: 20 Feb 1995 14:56:42 -0500 Organization: UVV - UseNet Volunteer Votetakers RESULT COMP.UNIX.BSD REORGANIZATION Voting for the comp.unix.bsd reorganization vote ended 23:59:59 GMT, 16 February 1995. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. For questions about voting procedures only contact Ian Kluft <ikluft@amdahl.com>. For questions about the newsgroups contact Kaleb Keithley <kaleb@x.org>. There were 426 valid votes submitted during the voting period. Each proposed newsgroup, in order to pass, must have at least 2/3 YES votes and at least 100 more YES than NO votes. The results are as follows: comp.unix.bsd reorganization results - 426 valid votes Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------------------- 341 64 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.unix.bsd.misc 285 87 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc 291 84 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.announce 305 69 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc 312 70 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.announce 334 68 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc 338 69 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce 332 67 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc 332 70 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.announce 10 invalid votes All parts of the proposal passed. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the newsgroups shortly thereafter. The following newsgroups will be removed on 22 May 1995. comp.unix.bsd (replaced by comp.unix.bsd.misc) comp.os.386bsd.apps (replaced by comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc) comp.os.386bsd.bugs (replaced by comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc) comp.os.386bsd.development (replaced by comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc) comp.os.386bsd.misc (replaced by comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc) comp.os.386bsd.questions (replaced by comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc) comp.os.386bsd.announce (replaced by comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.announce) The remainder of the results contains Newsgroups Lines Charters Final Voting Acknowledgements Voting Analysis NEWSGROUPS LINES comp.unix.bsd.misc BSD operating systems. comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc 386BSD operating system. comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.announce announcements pertaining to 386BSD. comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc BSD/OS operating system. comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.announce announcements pertaining to BSD/OS. comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc FreeBSD operating system. comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce announcements pertaining to FreeBSD. comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc NetBSD operating system. comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.announce announcements pertaining to NetBSD. CHARTERS [deleted] comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce: Moderated by Jordan Hubbard <jkh@freefall.cdrom.com> This newsgroup is for announcements relating to the FreeBSD operating system. Things appropriate for the .announce group would include announcements of new versions of FreeBSD, announcements of major software releases (both commercial and freely redistributable) for FreeBSD (e.g. new version of X11 for FreeBSD), announcements of fixes for major bugs, and the like. FAQs relating to FreeBSD should also be cross-posted to this group. comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc: Discussion about FreeBSD which does not fall into the area of coverage of any of the other freebsd groups. Things posted here should not be crossposted to the other freebsd groups. [deleted] comp.unix.bsd reorganization Final Vote Ack comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.announce -----------+ comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc ----------+| comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce ---------+|| comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc --------+||| comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.announce -------+|||| comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc ------+||||| comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.announce -----+|||||| comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc ----+||||||| comp.unix.bsd.misc ---+|||||||| ||||||||| [deleted] terry@cs.weber.edu Terry Lambert NNNNNNNNN [deleted] VOTING ANALYSIS All dates and times in this section are in US Pacific Time. The first vote arrived Thu Jan 26 15:12:15 1995. comp.unix.bsd.misc passed on Sun Jan 29 13:33:52 1995 comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc passed on Mon Jan 30 17:57:24 1995 comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.announce passed on Mon Jan 30 08:44:38 1995 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc passed on Mon Jan 30 01:36:09 1995 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.announce passed on Mon Jan 30 02:19:38 1995 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc passed on Sun Jan 29 13:43:31 1995 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce passed on Sun Jan 29 13:43:31 1995 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc passed on Sun Jan 29 13:43:31 1995 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.announce passed on Sun Jan 29 13:46:10 1995 The daily vote arrival rates are shown below with notes on factors which could possibly or probably have affected them. Also shown are the dates >from above when each group crossed the threshold of passing. 26 Jan 27 1st CFV posted 27 Jan 75 28 Jan 40 weekend 29 Jan 44 weekend comp.unix.bsd.misc passes comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc passes comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce passes comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc passes comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.announce passes 30 Jan 61 2nd CFV posted comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc passes comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.announce passes comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc passes comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.announce passes 31 Jan 42 1 Feb 34 2 Feb 21 3 Feb 14 4 Feb 8 weekend 5 Feb 9 weekend 6 Feb 18 7 Feb 14 8 Feb 13 9 Feb 10 10 Feb 6 11 Feb 5 weekend 12 Feb 7 weekend 13 Feb 9 14 Feb 6 15 Feb 4 16 Feb 2 voting ends This vote was handled by a neutral third-party votetaker from the UseNet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV). http://www.amdahl.com/ext/uvv/ ----- End ----- Take care, -- Nick Kralevich nickkral@cory.eecs.berkeley.edu