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Xref: sserve comp.org.eff.talk:9573 misc.int-property:642 comp.unix.bsd:6994 Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,misc.int-property,alt.suit.att-bsdi,comp.unix.bsd Path: sserve!manuel.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!ux1!fcom.cc.utah.edu!cs.weber.edu!terry From: terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) Subject: Re: Patents: What they are. What they aren't. Other factors. Message-ID: <1992Oct23.204711.17987@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Sender: news@fcom.cc.utah.edu Organization: Weber State University (Ogden, UT) References: <id.X18U.D6J@ferranti.com> <1992Oct20.201929.3183@fcom.cc.utah.edu> <id.R3AU.4ZF@ferranti.com> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 20:47:11 GMT Lines: 44 In article <id.R3AU.4ZF@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes: >In article <1992Oct20.201929.3183@fcom.cc.utah.edu> terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) writes: >> I think the argument against software patents is required to show deleterious >> effects of patent law. Here, Peter claims "The rate of innovation in the >> software community is simply amazing". Perhaps the reason "no intervention >> ... to encourage the creation or publication of new algorithms" is necessary >> is *because* software patents make it more cost effective to innovate than >> to license? > >Now THIS is pretty far out. You're claiming that the new situation (software >patents) explains the preexisting condition (a high rate of innovation). By "software patents" I meant "patents on software", no some new form of patent. For instance, how many clever methods of putting a cursor up have resulted from the XOR patent? How many compression techniques have resulted from a company ont wanting to license the LZW patents? How many methods of updating a previously occluded window have come from not wanting to license the backing store patent? >There's this little thing called "cause and effect". Effects do not precede >causes. > >> When was the last time you saw a new design for a sheet metal screw? > >About 6 months ago, when I assembled the kids' swing set. It had a built >in lock nut and a nylon bearing. I'm pretty sure that technology itself >(integral nylon bearings) is fairly new... This is not new; a combination of existing technologies isn't patentable. Perhaps I should have asked "when was the las time you saw a new patentable design for a sheet metal screw?". Terry Lambert terry@icarus.weber.edu terry_lambert@novell.com --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I have an 8 user poetic license" - me Get the 386bsd FAQ from agate.berkeley.edu:/pub/386BSD/386bsd-0.1/unofficial -------------------------------------------------------------------------------