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From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
Subject: Re: Question on Diamond Clock Synthesizer
Message-ID: <1992Oct25.222947.6164@netcom.com>
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
References: <1992Oct24.181837.19994@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> <1992Oct25.034615.5298@netcom.com> <1992Oct25.101257.13662@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1992 22:29:47 GMT
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In article <1992Oct25.101257.13662@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> roell@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Thomas Roell) writes:
>Amanic Hasty Jr writes:
>
>>I can give you a solid example of why I don't want the
>>diamond stealth: without the ability to set the dot clock
>>an X server is pretty much useless. People should know
>>his, specially when they spend  $300 (US) for the card.
>
>See you missed the whole point. You seem to build up a moral
>which is inconsequent. On the one hand you cry: 'hey the don't
>give me all the details', and the other hand you simply ignore
>this fact on other things. You cannot do this. You cannot act like
>a candle in the wind, moving in a direction just as it satisfies
>your needs. 
I don't cry I can't use the little Diamond Stealth nor can't the
public domain set custom modes.
>
>I know that the Diamond behaviour is pretty ugly for UNIX PD people. 
>But I think it's even worse that these UNIX PD guys can only think
>in there own terms and ignore (and forget) motivations and reasons
>of other peoples. He that's what fascism is all about ! I truely do
>believe that we all have to accept Diamonds acting. We can tell them
>that we do think that's it's in our oppinion not ok. But they way
>people accuse Diamond on the net is definitively NOT ok. And I really
>feel that they way people like you are acting on the net regarding
>this topic is even more discusting. 
>
I guess that Diamond and you subscribe to the good business practice
that if a product does not suite your needs that people shall acceptV|?b
this and not tell anyone. 

>>I do think that the net is doing a favor to Diamond by attempting
>>to solve Diamond's stupid policy.
>
>Who do you think you are ? God ? The only one who knows the truth ?
>Why can't you simply accept it ? Why do you think you are doing them a
>favour ?

Because if someone can come up with a solution in th public arena
they can sell their cards into +500000 installations.

 They have choosen this policy for a good reason (maybe a
>Diamond representative could finally tell me the whole story, but till
>them we all just can speculate), why do you think they want to change
>it ? 
Because Diamond decided it is their good policy it means that
it is a good policy for all us. I spoke to Diamond they couldn't
tell me nor to you. I am amazed that you can state or hint that
is a good policy.

>For perhaps 100 more sold cards and 1000 more problems ?
I spoke to Diamond and so did another group . The other group based
upon e-mail responses estimated that diamond would loose at least +7000
units due to their policify. So please don't quote misleading
figures in the net. Your "1000 more problems", I guess that
your are the only one who can program or maybe a selected few which 
obviously you are one.

>
>>I simply took my Stealth
>>back and got myself a couple of cards that I could program
>>without a lot of hazzles from the vendors.
>
>Well I still keep my DS24X and really love it ... It's greate for DOS
>games.
I am glad that you can play games with your card under DOS.

>
>>Roell, tnks for your code! A few of us are capable of
>>either getting the algorithm or writing the code. No,
>>I am not going to do it because I am not interested in
>>helping Diamond.
>
>Well if somebody has to patch server/dix to get his server/ddx/* layer
>to work, them I have seriousely doubts.
All code is sacred and should not be change. Yours is the only way.
OH, Roell please sell us your ways!

Don't worry I am going  to publish my xbench results and this is 
only the beginning.

>
>>And for the matter of hackers burning up their equipment
>>thats up to them after all they purchase it.
>
>You make it yourself to easy. Let's say you finally come up with a
>working S3 server (which passes x11perf, xbench & the XTEST suite)
>that supports the Diamond Stealth. Then you will put in there a
>copyright notice (derived from the X11R5 tape) that say something
>like that:
>
>AMANCIO DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES WITH REGARD TO THIS SOFTWARE,
>INCLUDING
>ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS, IN NO EVENT
>SHALL
>AMANCIO BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, INDIRECT OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES
>OR
>ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE, DATA OR PROFITS,
>WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE OR OTHER TORTIOUS ACTION,
>ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THIS
>SOFTWARE.
>
>That keeps you free from any liabilities. But what if one of your
>users kills his card by using your code ? What will he do ? He will
>go to the shop where he bought the Stealth and return it in exchange
>for a new one. This would cost Diamond's money. Did you ever think of
>that ?
>
So you and a selected few are the only ones who can write software
and be able to inspect a card. Glad to hear it.

You are assuming that I am the one who is going to write software
for Diamond. Again, I am not interested.


>>Lastly, I am not benefiting from my work in any financial way,
>>and I am not going follow this thread any more, I am go
>>to keep hacking on my S3 cards.
>
>Ah, if somebody don't share my oppinion, I'm just not listen to him
>anyway. Is that what you are telling us here ? If that's true I can
>only say: 'poor personality'.

When you call  people "dumb hackers", "God", "Facist" you make it
personal if this is due to  cultural/language differences 
let me know, because if you make it personal and wish to
attack me personally and publicly, I will know how to proceed
next.

>
>- Thomas

>
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Amancio