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From: roell@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Thomas Roell)
Subject: Re: Question on Diamond Clock Synthesizer
In-Reply-To: hasty@netcom.com's message of Sun, 25 Oct 1992 22:29:47 GMT
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1992 10:54:40 GMT
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>I guess that Diamond and you subscribe to the good business practice
>that if a product does not suite your needs that people shall
acceptV|?b
>this and not tell anyone.
Again you missed the point. I commented on the form of this anti
Diamond compain, which I don't think is ok. I used here to form 'you'
to speak to EVERYBODY that takes part in the campaign personally. And
I do think that you are one of these persons who started the whole
thing.
>Because Diamond decided it is their good policy it means that
>it is a good policy for all us. I spoke to Diamond they couldn't
>tell me nor to you. I am amazed that you can state or hint that
>is a good policy.
Actually I worded this quite wrong. As you recocnized people might
think that I do think that's this is a good policiy. That's not really
true. The idea was that Diamond has choosen this policy because it was
good for them. If we do want to change Diamonds policy to our best
intrestst (whatever these are), we do have to find out WHY they have
choosen this policy (that were my attempts to find reasons if I were
in Diamons position) and THEN tell them that the arguments they have
for there policy are not valid. Then Diamond might change their minds
if they see a solid base of arguments. They way it's handled now won't
hardly change anything.
Again I'm not here to defend any hardware vendor. I just want to
assure that people won't hear only arguments from one side over and
over
again
>I spoke to Diamond and so did another group . The other group based
>upon e-mail responses estimated that diamond would loose at least
+7000
>units due to their policify. So please don't quote misleading
>figures in the net.
Ooops. Didn't realize that it's a such high number. Now some should
find out HOW many units they are shipping for DOS to have a relation.
>I guess that your are the only one who can program or maybe a
>selected few which obviously you are one.
There are many people out there who are able to program the PLL
correctly. No doubt about that. But please reread on of my previouse
postings, where I stated that Diomand switches there PLL's. How do you
handle this in PD Software. A commercial vendor will be notified by
Ddiamond (since the number of them is not that huge).
>>Well I still keep my DS24X and really love it ... It's greate for
DOS
>>games.
>I am glad that you can play games with your card under DOS.
Actually under UNIX with DOS-Merge ;-)
>>Well if somebody has to patch server/dix to get his server/ddx/*
layer
>>to work, them I have seriousely doubts.
>All code is sacred and should not be change. Yours is the only way.
>OH, Roell please sell us your ways!
Well, your reaction shows me that I was not far away from reality. To
give non-server hackers a little bit more details, dix is something
untouchable like the libc. So what would you think of somebody who has
to change libc in order to get his application running (if libc is not
buggy) ? No personal thing, but sometimes I'm really in sorrow whether
I can trust software written like this.
>Don't worry I am going to publish my xbench results and this is
>only the beginning.
Well first off xstones are not everything. I go much more for a
xserver that passes the x-test suite. But then again I really like
competition. Everybody will benefit from this.
[copyright notic deleted]
>>That keeps you free from any liabilities. But what if one of your
>>users kills his card by using your code ? What will he do ? He will
>>go to the shop where he bought the Stealth and return it in exchange
>>for a new one. This would cost Diamond's money. Did you ever think
of
>>that ?
>
>So you and a selected few are the only ones who can write software
>and be able to inspect a card. Glad to hear it.
Look at my signature. We are now a commercial thing as well. That
means we are liable. You seem to take everything personal. Simply
cannot stand this. If there is no argument remaining, let's make it
personal. That's not the way. I would like to have somebody who has a
better understanding of these legal issue to comment on this.
But what makes me really asthonished is that people stop to be able to
discuss issues and start to discuss about unrelated things.
>When you call people "dumb hackers", "God", "Facist" you make it
>personal if this is due to cultural/language differences
>let me know, because if you make it personal and wish to^[[K
>attack me personally and publicly, I will know how to proceed
>next.
I would say personal differences of style (and a significatant problem
with english language, like my english teacher always told me; just
for the ones who didn't know, I'm a german citicen).
dumb hackers: What's bad about this word. Describes somebody who does
hacking just for the purpose of hacking without seeing
the world around him.
God: Somebody who thinks to know everything and has the only
truth. Maybe this is too much influenced by my own
religion.
Fascisim: (actually didn't say to anybody he's a fascist). Major
point in our time and society. People stop beeing
tolerant, loose the ability to discuss while
apreachiating both sides. Only one side is valid, and if
not, then make it a personal thing. New virtual enemies
are created ... Things of that nature. Maybe the wrong
word in that specific context.
- Thomas
PS: I do have the hope that there will be finally a discussion about
issue, not about the bad guys and personal things. Otherwise the
discussion is worthless and won't change anything.
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