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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.uwa.edu.au!disco.iinet.net.au!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!theos.com!deraadt From: deraadt@theos.com (Theo de Raadt) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: followup from censored port-i386@Netbsd.ORG Date: 23 Jun 1996 19:44:09 GMT Organization: Theo Ports Kernels For Fun And Profit, Inc. Lines: 72 Message-ID: <DERAADT.96Jun23134409@zeus.theos.com> References: <DERAADT.96Jun23070919@zeus.theos.com> <x7dk9wytkmo.fsf@glacier.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.theos.com In-reply-to: ghudson@glacier.mit.edu's message of 23 Jun 1996 14:56:09 -0400 Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:3829 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:21998 In article <x7dk9wytkmo.fsf@glacier.MIT.EDU> ghudson@glacier.mit.edu (Greg Hudson) writes: As for the history of the split between NetBSD and OpenBSD, not everyone who's read Theo's mail archive has come to the same conclusion that he has. Did they read the version modified by someone who cracked my machine, or the un-hacked version? John Goerzen's message did not trigger the moderation filter, or it probably would not have been approved. John's message did contain the word "prick". It would have activate the filter, just as the message he replied to did. Now you might say... perhaps my previous one which also contained the word "prick" did not.... but, looking at my archives: > From: Jason Thorpe > To: <somebody> > > [ BTW, the message bounced because he used the word "prick". I'm going > to let it though, anyhow, however. Otherwise, as has been the case > in the past, I'll just be accused of being an Asshole NetBSD Core Censor. > *sigh* ] My original message did bounce, but Jason let it through. Then he also let through John's message which flamed me. So, John's message DID trigger the moderation filter, and they DID let it through. > Jason did not wind up > approving any of the recent bounces that triggered the moderation > filter. Yes, he did. > port-i386 is intended for technical discussion of the i386 > port, not for political discussion. One may or may not believe that > it's Jason's responsibility to let people reply to flames that make it > past the moderation filter. But he did let a flame against me through, and then silently remove a piece of mail that redeems OpenBSD and my behaviour. > Why should I help a project that flames OpenBSD developers > regularily? A few days ago Herb said to one of the OpenBSD > developers: > "And to think I thought you were older than that... I guess Theo > has done us all a favor... He's collecting all the assholes in one > little pot... run along little man..." Herb Peyerl does not speak for the NetBSD project. Such messages can and do generate bad blood, but I think it's unfair to use them as evidence against the core team without at least pointing that out. There are similar comments from NetBSD core people; anyone want to show some of them? > I want to point out that 3 of 4 founders of NetBSD are not on NetBSD > core anymore because of the politics. Lest anyone believe they were expelled, Adam Glass and Chris Demetriou left core of their own accord. To the best of anyone's knowledge I know about, Adam left because he lost interest, not because of politics. Chris is still the Alpha port maintainer and contributes frequently. It's also a little peculiar to refer to "the politics," because the political issues at hand were quite different between Chris's case and yours. Yes, well I have mail from Chris in which he roughly says that he quit because the politics over Charles. But, no that's not the issue here. -- This space not left unintentionally unblank. deraadt@theos.com