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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.eng.convex.com!newshost.convex.com!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!usenet From: ghudson@glacier.mit.edu (Greg Hudson) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc Subject: Re: followup from censored port-i386@Netbsd.ORG Date: 26 Jun 1996 03:10:01 -0400 Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 40 Sender: ghudson@glacier.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <x7du3vzdos5.fsf@glacier.MIT.EDU> References: <DERAADT.96Jun23070919@zeus.theos.com> <DERAADT.96Jun24221739@zeus.theos.com> <4qprhg$2i9@fox.ksu.ksu.edu> <DERAADT.96Jun25204523@zeus.theos.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: glacier.mit.edu In-reply-to: deraadt@theos.com's message of 26 Jun 1996 02:45:23 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:3859 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:22177 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:4152 [Standard disclaimer: I'm not a NetBSD core team member and I don't speak for the NetBSD project.] > And of course I still receive the mailing lists. Just they don't > know HOW I get them. You could be reading the mailing list archives from any number of places; the gesture appears to have been largely symbolic. The goal of barring you from the NetBSD mailing lists is to keep them on-topic, not to keep you from finding out about NetBSD development. > http://theos.com/~deraadt/coremail makes it quite clear that every > other core member wanted me back in, tried to make it so, and that > they all felt that Charles was the blockade. This isn't clear at all. From the email made public in that archive, the main reason you never got access back was that there was a sticking point in the negotiations (see message 71): * They wouldn't give you access until you agreed to moderate private communications relating to NetBSD. * You wouldn't agree to that until everyone else did. * Core dropped the ball developing a standard agreement for developers. In message 80, cgd indicates that it would take a while; after three months you essentially declared the effort worthless unless Charles was sacked. In addition, the agreement you gave to the other terms (being communicative and moderating your public communications related to NetBSD) was to Chris privately. You never sent your answers to core as a mailing list, which Chris asked you to do. There is no particular evidence in the archive that Charles had any special ill will toward you. There's lots of evidence in there that you *though* Charles had a personal vendetta against you, but it's all based on unspecified information. (Incidentally, if it clears up any misconception you have about this whole mess, it was *not* Charles's idea to have you expelled from the core team in the first place.)