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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mira.net.au!vic.news.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!psgrain!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!news.co.intel.com!chnews!itnews.sc.intel.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!disp atch.news.demon.net!demon!awfulhak.demon.co.uk!awfulhak.demon.co.uk!awfulhak.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: brian@awfulhak.demon.co.uk (Brian Somers) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: A Serious article for the FreeBSD support group Date: 26 Jun 1996 13:34:40 -0500 Organization: Coverform Ltd. Lines: 72 Message-ID: <4qrvs0$ep@anorak.coverform.lan> References: <4qcqts$t61@tzlink.j51.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.coverform.lan X-NNTP-Posting-Host: awfulhak.demon.co.uk Cc: brian@awfulhak.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] k (landau@yu1.yu.edu) wrote: : I recently purchased the FreeBSD cdrom from crom.com : (I'll consider the plushie if the price goes down :) : I must say however, that installing the system if far from easy. The : first problem many people have is obviously an unrecognized cdrom : drive. I'm resourceful... so I get a plethora of those floppies and : feed them to my machine. Now my BASIC system is up and running. Just yesterday, someone posted that it took less than an hour. : My problem is that this is where the manual stops! It never mentions : that if you leave the system alone and come back on the following day : you'll get an error that you have not configured sendmail. What error ? Perhaps it was to do with not configuring your host name during installation - or not configuring your network devices ? My sendmail.cf works out of the box - it's built with /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail/cf/cf/freebsd.mc. If you want to change the default behaviour of an application, you'll have to learn to use the application. : To the support group *** please realize that many people want to : learn how to unix (this does not mean that they already know it!!) What's a support group? If you want to learn to use unix, buy a book or install it and play with it until you know more. I did this when I first learnt BASIC, Z80 assembler, DOS, Unix, 8086 assembler, C, and C++. I never expected a tutorial on basic principles. : Now I've asked my questions here on the newsgroup and I will be able : to configure the application, but what lies ahead? Good, you're getting the hang of things. : What else has no : one ever told me about? Everything you don't know about of course. What do you want to do with your machine ? If you don't like sendmail errors, remove sendmail from /etc/sysconfig. If you want email, learn to configure it. : These issues must be addressed if FreeBSD is : ever to be an operating system that people can install at home and : use. Why isn't sendmail placed in the setup as a mandatory install : requirement? 'cos it works in the default way - a default that works for most people. If you want to do anything smart (and this applies for all programs), RTFM - it's not going to read itself to you. : I hate to say it, but I see plenty of people out there : complaining that they can not install the software. I personally feel : that someone out there should write up a FAQ which takes a user : through a theoretical install and tell the user what he will have to : configure. I would be more than glad to do this myself if someone : would help guide me in the installation process. If any of you are : interested in this joint venture please email me at kenny@essutton.com : I am determined to get this thing to work! (even though I have yet to : use the CD I bought) : Ken All in all, I think you're expecting a bit much, but if you are willing to participate in providing that, then that's fine by me. I would help, but I have very little time and too much to do. Anyway, I don't like writing documentation :-( -- Brian <brian@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour....