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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.wildstar.net!news.sdsmt.edu!nntp.uac.net!cancer.vividnet.com!hunter.premier.net!uunet!inXS.uu.net!01-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!02-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!news.ecrc.de!news.space.net!news.b-1.de.contrib.net!src From: src@B-1.de.Contrib.Net (Heiko Blume) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: [Q] ISP :new to ISDN : Pointers? Date: 26 Jun 1996 17:13:04 GMT Organization: Contrib.Net Berlin Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4qrr30$evh@news.b-1.de.contrib.net> References: <4q5815$h7l@news.corpcomm.net> <Pine.3.91.960618005848.5013D-100000@fog.cs.odu.edu> <4q6ijt$rsv@hops.entertain.com> <31C9C03C.22722C64@lambert.org> <4qji96$4ds@uriah.heep.sax.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns.contrib.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) writes: >Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org> wrote: >> On the other hand, FR is available *everywhere*, through >> inter-LADA, if nothing else. >Hahaha. >Guess why the German FreeBSDers are so eager about ISDN support? Not >for its technical merits, but since it's the *only* available >technology for this kind of traffic here, besides the sluggish and >even more expensive X.25, or the unaffordable (and still not widely >available) ATM. germany isn't *that* bad. we offer Frame Relay (mostly for Internet Access) in all major german cities and ~100 cities EU-wide. PVCs to the US etc are no problem. but you still need a so-called 'local loop', meaning a line from your premises to the Frame Relay POP, from the Telekom AG in most german cities, but not in all. that may be ISDN which is nice because the hardware is relatively cheap, but may also maybe a leased line or whatever. unfortunately the Telekom AG has installation fees for their circuits which scare the customers away. getting a 2Mbps including CSU/DSUs and ciscos up and running adds up to a DM20K+ price tag. so much for the datenautobahn. -- src@contrib.net TCP/IP GmbH, Woertherstr. 16, 10405 Berlin Tel: +49.30/443366-0, Fax: +49.30/443366-15