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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!qns3.qns.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!inXS.uu.net!news.u.washington.edu!somsky From: somsky@dirac.phys.washington.edu (William R. Somsky) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: FreeBSD system specification Date: 1 Jul 1996 11:51:42 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 895 Message-ID: <4r8e4e$m2@nntp5.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dirac.phys.washington.edu Well, I'm just about to have a new FreeBSD/Win95 system custom built for myself (probably in a week or so), and thought I'd run my specs by people here for any comments they might have, just to check for any problems that other people have run into w/ similar systems, and to help me decide on the items I'm still not quite sure of. Any comments on my specs would be appreciated. My intended use of the system is for Un*x programming, computing, and "messing about", since that's the computing environment I'm most comfortable in (~11 years experience), and for DOS/Win/Win95 game playing, since there are just too many interesting games out there to resist. I'm an amateur musician/singer, so I'd like to try some work w/ music composition & MIDI software, and my training is as a theoretical particle physicist, so I might be tempted to try some "serious" computations at some time. Since I use workstation-class Unix machines at work (SGI Indy's, Sun Sparc's, etc.), I'd like to have something at home that feels roughly comparable once you factor in the fact that it'll be the sole user instead of sharing it w/ 10+ others at a time. It's probably a bit more that I need, but heck, having any computer at all is more than I really _need_. In most places in my spec, I've listed two or more variants that I am/have considered, with general, order-of-magnitude prices. I've indicated my current choice with an asterisk (*) if I'm fairly sure what I want, and a question-mark (?) if I'm still undecided. I've also added comments about why I'm considering what I'm considering, and why I've made my "current choice" choices as I have. *Please*, _no_ comments about the price-estimates unless they're _way_ off, i.e. by 30% or more -- they are _only_ for giving a rough estimate of prices in order to decide things like "Do I really want to spend around $250 to upgrade from a 133MHz Pentium to a 166MHz?" or "Is this all going to be way over my budget?" I have _intentionally_ done very gross rounding of general prices that I've seen. They are in no way meant to be indicative of any specific prices or quotes I have seen. Again: *** DON'T COMMENT ON THE PRICES UNLESS THEY'RE *WAY* OFF! *** (OK, who wants to take bets on how many people will ignore this and tell me, "Oh, you can get that for $5 cheaper over _here_"?) And now to the list: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CPU: * [$250] Pentium 133MHz w/ ball-bearing fan [$500] Pentium 166MHz w/ ball-bearing fan The "sweet" spot for CPU's seems to be at the 133MHz Pentia these days, with them going for roughly $250, and with about another $250 needed to upgrade to the 166's. So the 133MHz looks like the way I'll go, although if prices come down on the 166, I just may go for it -- I'll check prices the day I order this beast. With the "n*33MHz" chips, the memory and PCI clocks are kept up at 66MHz and 33MHz respectively -- there just doesn't seem to be any real reason to consider the "n*30MHz" chips (120MHz, 150MHz). I'm staying with the Intel Pentia chips rather than trying any of the alternates (AMD/Cyrix/etc), because I want to maintain the floating-point performance and because I'm just not brave enough here to break away from the masses in the mainstream. Motherboard: * [$200] ASUS P55T2P4 [430HX] 512K PB Cache w/ PS2 mouse connector [$210] ASUS XP55T2P4 [430HX] 512K PB Cache [ATX form-factor] --NO-- ASUS P55TVP4 [430VX] I've heard good things about the ASUS boards, and they seem to be popular with and work well for the FreeBSD crowd. Several people have said that they are successfully using and are happy with the P55T2P4 in their FreeBSD boxen. The 430HX chipset leaves the decision of whether or not to use parity or ECC as _my_ choice rather than Intel's (see "RAM" below). The 430VX chipset will do neither ECC nor parity, however, as it's meant for use in entry level systems, so the VX chipset is out. With the upgrade from 256K to 512K cache costing around $30, there doesn't seem to be any reason _not_ to go ahead and do it, unless one is really pinching pennies. An ATX board seems like it would be nice, but ATX cases are still a bit hard to come by, so I'll use the standard board as the baseline, and upgrade if a good ATX case can be had (see "cases" below). USB support would be nice, if that's been fixed by the time I buy the board, but since there really aren't any USB-capable devices available yet, it's lack is far from critical. (Besides, I've put this off far too long as it is... If I keep waiting for the next improvement, I'll _never_ get my system.) RAM: [$175] 16MB: 2 of 2Mx36b (8MB) 60ns FPM, true parity * [$350] 32MB: 2 of 4Mx36b (16MB) 60ns FPM, true parity [$700] 64MB: 2 of 8Mx36b (32MB) 60ns FPM, true parity First off, there's been a lot of heat generated about whether parity/ECC is necessary, useful or completely superfluous. I'd feel better with parity/ECC checks on the memory in my system, but if you don't think it's necessary, I'd never force you to use it in _your_ system. I think it really comes down to just a personal choice here, and I choose to have parity. 'Nuff said. For 66MHz memory clocks, the 60ns memory chips are recommended, and this doesn't seem like the place to push the limits. As they say, you can never get enough. However, from what I've heard, people generally do quite well with 32MB, and with RAM prices in the neighborhood or $10 per megabyte or so, a bit more for parity, and with a possible premium on the higher density chips, 32MB seems like a comfortable figure in terms of both performance and price. Besides, unlike many of the other choices here, the RAM can easily be upgraded later without having to throw out what one already has. But, if the final quote comes in under budget when I order the system, I just may spring for the larger memory. Case and Power Supply: * [$200] Shin-G GT-300(?) 300W tower, toolless, 4+3 5" bays, 2nd fan [$90] Enlight 6680 250W med-tower, toolless, 4 5", 1+6 3" bays, 2nd fan [$75] Generic 250W tower/mid-tower, 4+2 bays, 2nd fan [ATX?] [$80] PC Power & Cooling Standard 230W tower power supply [$150] PC Power & Cooling Turbo-Cool 300W tower power supply For what I'm planning to be putting into this system, I'm going to need a mid- or full-tower case w/ at least four exposed bays and one enclosed disk bay, plus an extra if I want to leave any room for expansion, and probably a 250W power supply. A second cooling fan would also probably be a good idea. ATX cases, power supplies and motherboards seem to be the up-and-coming thing, but I'm not sure how generally available they are now, and whether the computer shops have sufficient experience with them. I haven't really heard much about good-quality ATX cases and power supplies yet, nor have I actually _seen_ any ATX cases around of any grade. The difficulty with cases are that there are so many of them, ranging from cheap and flimsy to well-made and sturdy, and most often all you have to go on is a tiny picture in a magazine ad. It's an item you'd really like to see in person before you commit yourself. One case I've seen that looked pretty good was, I believe, a Shin-G GT-300. (Can anyone check me on this part number? I'm not completely certain if this is right. I tried to find more info on Shin-G on the net/web, but came up blank.) It was quite a nice case w/ toolless entry, a 300W power supply, butterfly side-opening panels, 4 exposed and 3 internal 5.25" bays w/ slide-in rails, and a second fan. Anybody have/seen one of these? How good is the power supply in this? Any other comments, anyone? The other case I've heard about, but never seen, is the Enlight 6680/6688 case, another toolless entry case. There are people on the net who seem to be quite happy with them, but I've heard that the internal 3.5" bays are designed for inch-high drives, and half-height drives need to be mounted upside down. Isn't that a bit odd? Then, of course, are whatever generic cases the vendor usually uses. These can range from quite good to abysmal. The question is, is it really important enough an issue that I want to go to the bother of spec'ing out a specific case, esp. when I'm not exactly sure of what I want anyway, or should I just go with what the vendor usually uses? Hopefully I can check out the vendor's "standard" cases before I make a final decision. As far as power supplies go, I've heard that PC Power and Cooling power supplies are among the best in the business -- some people won't have anything else. But most cases already come with a power supply, I believe. Is it a good idea to specify a specific power supply like this, or will it be more hassle than it's worth? And if I were to go w/ a PC P&C power supply, is the upgrade from the Standard to the Turbo-Cool worth it? Floppy Drive: [$30] Teac 3.5" 1.44M [$40] Teac 5.25" 1.2M ? [$80] Teac Dual 3.5"/5.25" I've got a few old games on 5.25" disks, so I'd kind of like a 5.25" floppy drive, and the dual drive is more efficient in terms of bay conservation than separate 3.5" and 5.25" drives. However, I may just decide to have a friend copy the old 5.25" disks over to 3.5" disks and forget the 5.25" drive altogether. From what I hear, Teac has long been _the_ quality manufacturer of floppy drives. This is a low enough budget item that it doesn't seem to make much difference/sense to scrimp here. SCSI Controller: [$200] Adaptec 2940 PCI ? [$260] Adaptec 2940 PCI Kit [$310] Adaptec 2940UW PCI Kit This is going to be an all SCSI system -- none of this messing about with IDE/EIDE -- so I need a good SCSI controller. The Adaptec 2940 is a known good performer and well supported by FreeBSD. What I'm uncertain about is just what's included in the "kit" form vs. the "bare" card. I doubt that any of extra software would be useful for running FreeBSD (or is it?), but remember that I'm also planning on using the system for DOS/Win/Win95 gaming, and although Win95 supposedly has all the necessary drivers builtin, I believe separate drivers are needed for running the CDROM, etc in DOS mode. Do all the proper drivers come with the "bare" card, or is it a _really_ "bare" card w/ no software whatsoever. And even if the necessary drivers are all there with the "bare" card, is there anything in the "kit" package that would be worth having? Can anyone who's dealt with this give me some info here? Now from the general prices I've seen there doesn't seem to be too much of a price increase from the 2940 kit to the 2940UW kit, but since this system isn't going to be performing any heavy-duty file service, there seems to be little need for the SCSI ultra and/or wide options, and I'm a little uncertain about whether having a wide bus would present any complications in connecting to narrow/normal components. (I know it can be done, but then you get into narrow vs wide connector issues, etc.) Can anyone confirm/deny my feeling that there really wouldn't be any noticeable benefit in going to the 2940UW for this system? Hard Disk: * [$500] 2GB 3.5" 5400 rpm Fast SCSI-2 Seagate Hawk ST32430N [$700] 2GB 3.5" 7200 rpm Fast SCSI-2 Seagate Barracuda ST32550N A 2GB disk seems like it should be pretty comfy for a personal Un*x and game machine: 400MB for Win95/games/etc, 600MB for FreeBSD w/ sources, 500MB for myself and 500MB extra. 1GB would probably be a bit tight, and I'm not planning on working with bulk audio, video or images on the disk, so 4GB would be overkill. And as was the case with RAM, this is easy to add on to without discarding my original investment. We've had good luck w/ Seagate disks at work, and they're a well known brand, so I've more-or-less arbitrarily decided to get a Seagate drive -- unless someone has a significant reason why I shouldn't. This isn't to say anything against any other drive manufacturers; it's mostly just a means to cut down on the too-wide array of possibilities here. As mentioned above in the SCSI controller section, there doesn't seem to be any need for an ultra and/or wide disk on a personal system. Anyone have any reason I should think otherwise? At this point, it leaves us with the choice of the 5400 rpm Hawk or the 7200 rpm Barracuda drive. (Actually, from what I hear, there are a couple variants of the Hawk drive, but they should all be interchangeable for our purposes here, shouldn't they?) So, is the extra speed of the Barracuda worth the extra $200 or so? Would the speed difference be noticeable in the system I'm building here? I'm tempted to get slickest, hottest drive here, but would I just be paying for the bragging rights to say I have a 7200 rpm drive? And speaking of hot, are there any heat difficulties w/ the 2GB Barracuda drives? I know you have to be a bit careful w/ the airflow around the 4GB version, or it'll overheat, but I haven't heard about the 2GB version. Does it have the same problem? Is the normal airflow pattern inside a PC case sufficient or does one have to be extra careful with these? CDROM Drive: ? [$280] NEC Multispin 6Xi SCSI [$260] Toshiba 3701B 6.7x SCSI [$340] Toshiba ????? 8x SCSI ??? -- is there such a thing? For use under FreeBSD, where the CDROM will be used for loading source/data files in a non-realtime fashion, the performance of the drive isn't really a major factor. What's more important is getting a good quality drive. I've hear people say good things about their Toshiba drives, and I believe the NEC's are well made as well. (Anybody confirm/deny this?) For use under DOS/Win95, however, where the CDROM will be used for gameplay, which often uses realtime audio and/or video, performance is more relevant. A 6x drive, however, seems like is should be more than adequate for all current and near-future uses, and much after that, we'll all be replacing our current drives w/ new DVD drives. From what I've heard, some people have had problems with the idle-timeout on the Toshiba drives, which cause the disk to spin-down after only 30 seconds or so of inactivity, leading to choppy performance in some realtime display situations. (Confirm/deny anyone?) On the other hand, I've gotten the impression (it's been a while, perhaps I'm mistaken?) that the NEC's performance is rather lackluster and that it's not a "hot performer". (Again, confirm/deny anyone?) Anyone have any good advice here? In talking to one vendor, he looked at my spec for the Toshiba 6.7x and said, "Oh, there's a new, faster one available", but didn't have the model number. Now, I've seen mention of a Toshiba 8x IDE drive, but not of a SCSI version. Is there such a beast available? And if so, has anyone had any experience with it? Tray or caddy? Sometimes I think I'd prefer one, and sometimes I think I'd prefer the other. As long as they're well-made, study mechanisms, I think either a tray or caddy would be acceptable, and isn't really a deciding point for me. Video Card: * [$300] #9 Motion 771 2MB VRAM PCI w/ 220 MHz IBM RAMDAC [$450] #9 Motion 771 4MB VRAM PCI w/ 220 MHz IBM RAMDAC From what I hear, the Number Nine Motion 771 is a good, solid performer and well supported by XFree86. I don't want to have to get a commercial X server to support a Matrox, and I don't really get a warm, fuzzy feeling about the Diamond cards. With 2MB I believe the 771 can do 16 bits per pixel at 1152x864, but only 8 bits at 1280x1024 or 1600x1200. This seems like a reasonable behavior for me, since I'm going to be using a 17" monitor (see "monitor" below) and am not planning on doing anything like full-page, full-color layouts. And about the RAMDAC: I've heard there are both 170MHz and 220MHz versions of the board, yes? Is this an OEM vs retail difference? And will it really make a difference for the uses I'm planning? I know it limits the refresh rate at higher display sizes, but the card specs list 110Hz as the refresh rate for 1280x1024 and 83Hz for 1600x1200, which I guess are for the 220MHz chip, so I guess they would translate to 17/22 of that for the 170MHz, or 85Hz for 1280x1024 and 64Hz for 1600x1200, and since I doubt that with a 17" monitor there's much point in running at 1600x1200, it doesn't sound like much of a difficulty. Are they any other significant differences between the chips other than their speed? Quality, stability, etc? Will a higher chip bandwidth make a difference even when not trying to run near it's limit? I'm going to ask for the 220MHz anyway, but it doesn't sound like too much of a difference for my situation. True? False? Monitor: [$800] Viewsonic 17PS .25mm ? [$1000] Sony Multiscan 17SE-2T .25mm [$1000] Nanao Flexscan F2-17EX .26mm [$1025] Nanao Flexscan T2-17 .26mm [not T2-17TS] 17" seems like the most popular size nowadays, and since I'm used to 16" and 17" monitors at work, I think I'd be disappointed in a mere 15 incher. I'm not even considering 20", since I'm not going to be doing CAD or page-layout tasks (except for maybe just playing around), I don't want to spend the $2000 necessary for a 20", and I really don't care to have my monitor to take over my entire desk. (Even the 17" monitors are too bulky for my tastes, but I guess I'll have to live with it there. Too bad flat screen monitors aren't cheap enough and out in force yet.) And since I do want to be able to run up in the 1024x860 and 1280x1024 ranges, I'm keeping with the fine pitch, higher quality models that will handle these with good resolution and refresh rates. Also, a high quality monitor should last for quite a while, through several system upgrades and changes. Choosing between monitors is a hard, since the monitor is quite literally in-your-face all the time, and you can't really tell much from the specs alone. I'm limiting my choices to monitors where I've had a chance to inspect either the model in question or a close variant that I feel should be equivalent (e.g., a Sony 17SE for a Sony 17SE2). But if someone tells me about a hot monitor that I've just gotta see, well, I'll see if I can go out and see it. Aperture grill or shadow mask? I've heard the former is brighter, with better color saturation for images, but the latter is a bit sharper for line graphics and fine text. Gameplaying will rely mostly on images, while FreeBSDing will rely mostly on text. Since I will be spending hours looking at text in FreeBSD, and don't want to limit myself to a single 80 character wide xterm, I think I want to have good performance w/ fine text. However, that "wet paint" look of the trinitrons is very tempting. Now, some of our Sonys at work (17SE's OEM'ed to SGI for use with their Indy workstations) are a bit fuzzy on fine text, while others do quite well -- would this be an indication that the fuzziness I'm seeing is from focus, convergence, etc, rather than inherent to the trinitron tube? Incidentally, having worked some with the trinitrons, I don't believe the shadows of the A.G. stabilization wires will make much of a difference for me. As I said, we have OEM Sony 17SE's at work, and they look pretty good, perhaps a bit fuzzy on the fine text at times. (I believe the only significant difference between the 17SE's and 17SE2's is that the SE2's add on-screen feedback for the user controls.) Sony's a well respected name and I've heard that there's a service center here in Seattle, so in case I have trouble and it needs service work, I can have it repaired locally instead of having to send it all the way to Kalamazoo or Timbuktu. So a sony looks like it could be a good choice. I haven't seen a Viewsonic 17Ps, per se, but some of our NEC X-terminals have OEM monitors that look identical in design and very similar in terms of specs, so I believe it's probably an OEM version of just about the same thing. I spent some time with one of these terminals and it looked pretty good. Not quite as bright as the Sony, but nice clear text. Now that was only one data point -- perhaps it was an exceptionally good instance of the breed -- and I'm not sure exactly how this unspecified OEM model compares with the retail 17PS, but it looked pretty good. And with a price somewhat lower than the Sony or Nanao, it sounds like it could be a good choice, too. I've seen a Nanao F2-17FX in a computer superstore, and it looked pretty good, nice clean design and controls, but it wasn't displaying any images that I could use to really check out the fine image quality. A professor at work has just gotten a new T2-17, however, and I'm going to be taking a closer look at that this week. The F2 and T2 models seem to be _very_ similar: are there any significant differences other than the tube type? From what I've heard, Nanao builds very high quality monitors, but it's sometime rather hard to get service on them if/when they need it. (Comments anyone?) Now, as you can probably tell from the length I've gone on here about monitors, I'm rather uncertain what to choose. And since I'm going to be staring at the monitor quite a bit, I really want to get something that I'll be happy with. Now, I've heard of people quite happy with each of these brands/models on the net, but does anyone have any direct, comparative experience with two or more of these, that they could share with me to help me out here? Keyboard: [$25] Generic cheap keyboard * [$50] Generic good-quality 101/104 "bar-return" keyboard [$??] IBM Professional keyboard [$90] Northgate Omnikey 101P keyboard The keyboard is another item that has a profound impact on your interaction with your computer. Unless you're a dedicated mouser, almost all your input to your computer is via the keyboard. If you've got a keyboard you don't like, you're in general not going to have a very enjoyable session with your computer. (For instance, the keys on this older terminal I'm using to type this are a bit sticky and have a slightly odd layout -- it's rather annoying...) It's also another item where you can't rely on specs alone: you really need to see and feel one for yourself. In terms of my personal preferences, I like a more tactile, "clicky", sort of keyboard, but am happy enough with a softer touch as long as it isn't "mushy". The keys switches need to be smoothly operating, high quality mechanisms. If I hit the shift or return key near the edge, it needs to operate smoothly, not bind and stick. It's a personal preference, but I like the plain "bar" return keys rather than the "ell" shaped ones. Oh, and forget the split, "ergonomic" keyboards altogether: I just don't think I like them. It would be nice to have a proper Un*x style keyboard that has the escape key in the upper left corner of the regular keyboard area rather than up in the function row, and the control key just to the left of the "A" key (where God intended it :-), but I've never heard of any being available. Anyway, I've developed a key remapping that I used to use on the IBM RS/6000's that brings all the necessary keys down into more-or-less reasonable positions: BS -> BS, Shift-BS -> tilde(~); grave(`) -> ESC, shift-grave -> grave(`); swap CTL and CAPS. I've already got xmodmap files to accomplish this under X, and I believe it should be possible to do this as an alternate keymapping for plain-text mode in FreeBSD. Anybody know how to make custom keymaps for DOS/Win95? The nice thing about the Northgate keyboards is/was that you could swap the control and caps-lock keys _in hardware_. If I end up with some other keyboard, I just may take a soldering iron to the thing and try a few "field modifications" to correct this deficiency. What about these three new "windows" keys that Microsoft has convinced everyone we need? Are they useful in W95? Can they be used as meta/hyper/etc keys in FreeBSD/XFree86? I would have been happier if Gates and Co. had kept it down to two new keys -- there was an existing space between the control and alt keys on each side of the space bar on the IBM standard keyboards. Too many of the 104-key keyboards are crowding the down spacebar into a narrow little stub. Now there are lots of keyboards around, but the ones you usually see in stores/computer shops are the cheap to moderately good varieties, with an over -mphasis on bells and whistles such as new ergonomic variants and builtin pointing devices and speakers/microphones. The really good varieties seem to be special order items. Rather than worry about the details of spec'ing out a specific keyboard, my inclination is to just get a good quality keyboard from the ones the vendor usually deals with, and then get a high-quality keyboard -- such as the IBM or Northgate, or even an ergonomic keyboard if I feel daring -- later at my leisure when I see something I really like. This is a low enough budget item that I feel I can comfortably do this with it. Mouse: * [$50] Logitech Mouseman Combo Serial/PS2 3-button [$70] Logitech Mouseman Cordless Serial/PS2 3-button Three-buttons. No discussion about it, I gotta have three buttons. I'm not going to mess about with any chording or meta-keys or anything else for getting a middle-button click while running X. Logitech is a good, solid name in the mouse industry, and there doesn't seem to be much reason skimp here, especially since an erratically functioning mouse is a real pain. The mouseman seems like a solid, sturdy mouse, although I would have preferred the old standard rectangular shape over the new ergonomic shape. Anybody had any experience with the Logitech cordless mouse? Do these work smoothly and well? How long do the batteries last in it? I find the idea of getting rid of the mouse's "tail" dragging all over my desk appealing, especially since I've got hutch on the top of my desk which would force the mouse cord to be strung around, forward, back and forward again to get the mouse and it's "tail" in the proper position. I'm willing to pay the extra amount for it as long as it will work well, and not need to have its batteries replaced every other week. Since the ASUS board has a PS/2 mouseport, I want a mouse that can work both as a PS/2 or serial mouse, giving me the possibility of freeing up the serial port for other things I might want to try sometime such as a scanner or graphics tablet. How well does putting the mouse on a PS/2 port work in practice? I know that the "psm" device isn't compiled into the default FreeBSD kernel, since it can cause conflicts on some systems, but does anyone have any ideas how it would work for the sort of system I'm proposing? Are there any other reasons one should or shouldn't use a PS/2 mouse? Operating System: * [$40] FreeBSD 2.1 (2.1.5?) CD [Walnut Creek] * [$90] Microsoft Win95 [vendor installed] *** w/ CD media *** * [$0] Power Toys & Service Pack 1 [download from MS] * [$45] Microsoft Plus! CD As I mentioned at the beginning, I'll be running FreeBSD for Un*x, and Win95 for games. Since I will probably want to repartition my disk sometime, I need to have the installation media for everything, esp. the Win95. I *might* be able to get the vendor to partition the disk to my specs for Win95 and FreeBSD, but I'd probably just change my mind later anyway. (Besides I kind of like the the computer-macho thrill of completely stripping down the system and reinstalling and customizing it all from scratch.) I believe that you're supposed to be able to (easily?) repartition the disk and reinstall Win95 from scratch with just a boot floppy (with the required DOS-mode SCSI, disk, and CD drivers) and the Win95 CD. (Confirm/deny anyone?) I believe that one can / is supposed to get a CD copy of Win95 with a vendor pre-installed version of Win95, (I'm going to check to make sure), otherwise I'm going to have to resort to the $200 non-upgrade version of Win95, which only comes on floppies, YUCK! (Microsoft, why the h*ll did you do it this way? Couldn't you have done it with a boot floppy or two and the rest on CD rather than a whole mess of floppies?) And, of course there's FreeBSD. No real question here. Oh, I could just download it all, but a CD is _much_ handier and well worth the cost. That's why Walnut Creek is able to make much/most/all(?) of their stuff available online for free access, and still be able to have a healthy CDROM publishing business. (At least I assume they're healthy, I haven't heard of them having any problems.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok, that completes what I'm considering the base system: the parts that are absolutely required before I can run anything, so let's look at the rough-estimate subtotal cost up to this point. Est. Subtotal: $3695 OK, not exactly cheap, but not a bank-breaker either. I think I can live with this. Now, let's go on to the "additional" components that I'm considering adding to this system. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sound System: * [$90] SB-16 value IDE w/ wave connector ? [$190] Roland SCD-15 [$170] Yamaha DB50XG [$110] Roland MPU-401AT [$15] Generic mini extension speakers ? [$100] Sony SRS PC50 5W The SoundBlaster seems to be a de-facto standard for gameplay, and is currently supported by FreeBSD, so a SB compatible card seems like a good base to build off of. I'm rather uncertain about the fancier cards, such as the GUS or AWE, in terms of game and FreeBSD compatibility, so I've decided to just go with a SB-16. Unfortunately, all the SB cards being made now are PnP (Plug and Pray, I mean Play :-) versions, and I don't believe that any of the free Un*xen handle PnP very well yet. I asked around at a few places, and found that they no longer carry the non-PnP versions of these cards. However, just as I was beginning to curse myself for not snatching up a pre-PnP version of the SB-16 months ago, when I had the first inklings that this might happen, I found a non-PnP SB-16 in a local "Babbages" store. So, I bought it. Hence the SB-16 is a "done deal" for my system. Since wavetable synthesis is now the standard, and since I plan on trying some music composition on this system, I'd like to get a good wavetable card. From what I hear, the Roland SCD-15 has long been considered the standard, so I'm using it as my reference and current choice. However, the Roland is somewhat older, and there are newer cards out there w/ newer features, such as the Yamaha card, and I'm going to want to look into it as well. However, since this isn't an immediate need, I can decide this more at my leisure. The Roland MPU-401AT? That's listed there mostly for reference, in case the SB-16 doesn't perform up to snuff on MIDI. I've heard tales of hung notes and imperfect 401 emulation by the SB-16. However, I hope I won't have to resort to this. The fanciest sound card in the world won't do much without a decent pair of speakers. However, I'm unsure about exactly what I need here. I've seen and heard a fair variety of different speakers in the stores: most all of them sounded pretty good, some seemed _very_ nice; some sounded a bit weak, some had a powerful bass via a separate subwoofer; some looked pretty good, some were downright _ugly_; and many were "reasonably" priced, but some were definitely expensive -- I don't know if I can justify spending more on speakers for my computer speakers than I do on speakers for my stereo. The one thing I noticed about almost all of them was that they took up a non-trivial amount of desktop real-estate. The SRS-PC50's however, have a nice, thin shell-shaped design that can be stood on the desktop or hung on either side of the monitor, saving much desktop space. Again, however, since this isn't an immediate need, I may just start with a cheap pair of mini extension speakers, and get a better set once I've had a chance to look around. Backup Media: [$700] HP [bare drive] C1534A 4mm DAT DDS-1 [2 GB] SCSI-2 internal ? [$800] HP Surestore 2000 C1525F 4mm DAT DDS-1 [2 GB] SCSI-2 internal [$???] HP [bare drive] C1536A 4mm DAT DDS-DC [2-4GB] SCSI-2 internal [$900] HP Surestore 2000 C1526F 4mm DAT DDS-DC [2-4GB] SCSI-2 internal [$???] HP [bare drive] C1533A 4mm DAT DDS-2 [4-8GB] SCSI-2 internal [$1000] HP Surestore 2000 C1528F 4mm DAT DDS-2 [4-8GB] SCSI-2 internal I don't think I want to try running this system without any backup. Maybe for the first month or so, while I'm still trying it out and before I've added much personal stuff to it, but not in the long run. And the thought of swapping 2000 floppy disks for backing up a 2 GB disk is ludicrous. Even 20 zip disks doesn't sound very appealing. So, I need something in the one-to-several GB range. I haven't really got a very good feeling from what I've heard about the various QIC and Travan drives (and I don't know if any of them are SCSI), so the choices come down to 4mm DATs or 8mm Exabytes. The Exabytes seem a bit overkill for this sort for a personal box, so that leaves DATs, and from what I've heard, the standard for DAT drives is HP, so let's go with an HP DAT drive. The choice here is between DDS-1, DDS-DC, or DDS-2. As we go up the chain, we gain the benefit of hardware compression and higher recording densities. However, a DAT tape drive is already a fairly expensive item, and a 2GB DDS-1 drive should work fine for backing up a 2GB disk, since it will already be split into partitions of somewhat smaller size, so I'm reluctant to spend a couple hundred dollars more just to get a higher tape capacity. The other question is whether to get the drive in its "package" form w/ software and support from HP, or to just get a bare mechanism w/ support from the third-party vendor. Anybody have any suggestions? Is there anything in the "full package" from HP that would be useful for either FreeBSD or Win95 use? Or is it all just extras that I'd probably not use anyway? Archive & Exchange Media: * [$200] Iomega Zip SCSI insider (100MB/disk, $15/disk) Even with the projected extra 500MB on the disk that I guesstimated above, there are going to be files (such as downloaded source archives, old email and usenet articles, etc) that I'm going to want to transfer to some sort of off-line archival storage. The DAT drive is less than ideal for this, since it's a serial-access device, and is best for handling things like tar files or dump sets. The idea of doing a 20 minutes tar extraction or undump just to grab a single 10K file is rather repulsive. Furthermore, tapes don't handle replacement/modification of data very well. (For example, if I download the latest version of emacs and want to update my achive files.) What I really want here is a direct-access device that can be mounted and have a real filesystem on it. The various removable devices that have become available recently seem to fill this bill: the Iomega Zip, Iomega Jaz, and Syquest EZ-135. However, I'm a little leery of the durability of the EZ disks, since, as I understand it, they're really more of a removable hard disk platter than a floppy disk. And even though it has a faster access time than the Zip, I'm really not planning on using it for running programs directly off the disk, only for archival. The Jaz seems similar, plus it's $100 1GB disk seems more than I need here, and the drive's cost itself is significantly higher than for the Zip. In addition to archival use, it would be useful to have a media format suitable for exchange with others: something where I could just throw a file or several onto a (relatively) cheap disk, hand it to someone, and say "OK, here it is". (I'd be a little reluctant to hand over a $100 Jaz disk.) The Zip seems to have become fairly popular -- several people have them around here have them so far -- so it would seem to fill this need as well. The parallel version is, as they say, "right out". This going to be a SCSI system, so I want a SCSI drive. The only choice remaining is between an internal and external version. Although it might be nice to be able to carry the drive into work, plug it in, load it up, and transfer files to home that way, rather than via a dialup modem line, it's unclear whether one could really write files onto the disk from a SGI system and be able to read them from a FreeBSD system. And writing files suitable for DOS/Win95 would probably be worse. Furthermore, I've always detested having too many external boxes and cords hanging about a system, so I've decided to go with the internal version. If only it wasn't that strange blue color... Modem: * [$0] Best Data "Smart One" 14.4k, external [* I already have this *] [$200] US Robotics Sportster Vi, external [$350] US Robotics Courier V.34, external ? [$225] Motorola Power, external [$325] Motorola Premier, external Contrary to what I just said above about detesting extra boxes and cords on a system, a modem is the one thing that I _want_ to be external: I want to be able to see the status lights to tell what's going on, and be able to reset/power-cycle it manually if it becomes hung, without resetting my entire system. I've currently got a Best Data 14.4k modem that will do for starters, so I have some leisure in deciding exactly what I want in a modem, but I'll fairly soon want to upgrade to a 28.8 or higher model. At work, we've got a bank of Courier "V.34 everything" modems that I'll be dialing into, so that suggests getting a similar USR Courier for maximal compatibility. I believe that the Couriers can talk at 33.6k to each other -- if the lines are clean. However, I'm not sure how clean my lines between home and work are, so I don't know if I'd be able to make use of the full 33.6k. Furthermore, the Courier isn't exactly cheap. If I can't make use of it's extra features, I'm not sure I want to pay for them. (No, I'll take that back: I _am_ sure that I _don't_ want to pay for features I can't use.) One of the professors at work has a Motorola Power modem at home (although I hear tell that Motorola's new 33.6k modem is the Premier), and he tells me that he's been pretty well pleased with it, so that's what I'm considering for my "reference" choice, subject to future modification as I find more info. Printer: * [$0] HP DeskJet 500 [* I already have this *] [$350] HP DeskJet 660C [CYMK] ? [$310] HP DeskJet 680C [CYMK] [$450] HP DeskJet 855C [CYMK] I already have an HP DeskJet 500 from my previous system, and I'll probably stick with it for a while, but I'll only be able to resist the lure of upgrading to a better model for so long. I've been very happy with my DJ 500, and while it might be nice to have a 600 dpi laser printer, I'm more tempted by color, so I believe I'll stay with an inkjet printer. Now, there are several manufacturers of color inkjet printers out there besides HP, including Epson and Canon, but, as I said, I've been happy with my HP, I know HP's are well supported by both Windows and ghostscript, and I just in general think the HP printer design _looks_ cleaner, so I think I'll stick with the HP's. The currently available HP color DeskJet models are the 600C, 660C, 680C, 820C and 855C. The 600C, however, is a color _or_ black system, where you either put in a black ink cartridge for normal printing, or a CYM ink cartridge for color printing & black (dark purple actually) is made by mixing all three inks. That cartridge swapping and no true black in color mode seems messy and inefficient, so we'll skip the 600C. All the other printers use dual ink cartridges, one black and one CYM, so you don't need to swap cartridges, and you get true CYMK color printing. The 820C seems only to be designed to work with windows, and would be useless from FreeBSD, so it's out as well. Between the 855C and the 660C/680C, the 855C is a faster printer that uses larger capacity ink cartridges, but I'm unclear if I really need the extra speed. It'd be nice, but I'm not really in all that much of a rush in my home printing, and there is a noticeable price gradient in moving to the 855C. Between the 660C and the 680C, they have very similar specs. I believe that the 680C is just the newer version of the 660C with a few new features like a modified paper tray that can handle continuous strips of fan-fold paper for printing banners and such, so there doesn't seem to be much reason to choose one over the other. Since the 680C is the newer model, and seems to be listed with a somewhat lower price, I'll go with that one for now. I'll review the situation again when I finally break down and decide I need a new color printer. UPS: ? [$400] Best Fortress LI660B [$725] Best Ferrups FE500VA [$800] Best Ferrups FE700VA It's unclear whether a UPS for my system is anything more than a pure frill. I don't know exactly how clean or dirty my power is, but according to my VCR, I don't lose power all that often. I've no need for any sort of high availability, it's just going to be a home system. The most a UPS would be used for would be to ride through minor power glitches and to to allow an orderly shutdown when the power does go out. But are these systems really all that susceptible to disk corruption on power failure? We've got 60+ Unix workstation systems of various sorts at the department here, none of them on UPS's, and although we end up with a couple unexpected power outages a year, I don't believe we've ever lost anything due to them. I'm not sure I really need anything more than a good surge protector, but this is my dream system, so let's go ahead and add a UPS anyway. From what I've heard, Best Power makes high quality UPS systems, and, unlike APC, are willing to supply the information about the communication protocol used by their UPS's to report power failures, line voltages, etc. to a host computer, so someone can write (perhaps already has written?) a FreeUn*x program that will talk to their UPS's. Their fancier, higher tier UPS's are the Ferrups series, but they're a bit pricey, and probably more than I would need, so barring any other considerations that someone might give me, I'll pick a model from their Fortress series. The entry level model here seems to be the LI660B, a 660 VA model, and that seems sufficient for a system of this sort, so it sounds like a good choice for my dream system. Again, since I have my doubts about whether I really need a UPS, I may never get around to buying one, but this is my current best choice (no pun intended) if I do decide to get one. Other Goodies: There are a few other "goodies" I might like to add to my system someday, such as a scanner, a graphics tablet, or a MIDI keyboard, but those are longer term items that really are extras, and not core requirements, so we won't go into these. Besides, I'm sure I've spent more than enough already. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- So now with all the additional bells and whistles thrown in, let's see what the grand total comes out to be: Total: $6010 Woah! That's a lot of money! How's about for twenty-five cents you let me come over and use your abacus? :-) Well, actually, that's right at the top end of what I set as my "willing to spend" limit, so it looks feasible. It's got a couple of extra goodies like a UPS and a new printer that I may put off for a while or never even get, so that softens the blow a little. Furthermore, with a bit of searching and a little dickering I may be able to get somewhat better prices than the rough estimates I used above. Six thousand dollars. I've got the budget to do this, but not to redo any significant mistakes. So if I seem a bit paranoid in wanting to have confirmation from the net that my choices are good ones, that's why. As the dynamite swallower said: "It's a good trick, but I can only do it _once_." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Whew! This was only meant to be a relatively short request for information, but I've rambled on for over 850 lines. If you're still with me, thanks for reading this far, and I'd appreciate any comments & information you have that would help me make my final decision and convince me that I'm not making any major mistakes. If there's an interest, perhaps I'll update this based on the answers I get from all of you out there and post it as a web page on our server. Thanks in advance, Bill Somsky ________________________________________________________________________ William R. Somsky somsky@phys.washington.edu Department of Physics, Box 351560 B432 Physics-Astro Bldg Univ. of Washington, Seattle WA 98195-1560 206/616-2954