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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mira.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!munnari.OZ.AU!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ac.net!news1.erols.com!news From: Ken Bigelow <kbigelow@www.play-hookey.com> Newsgroups: demon.ip.support,demon.tech.unix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: Batch FTP and Web Pages Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 17:58:30 -0700 Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Lines: 42 Message-ID: <31D87436.7C7F@www.play-hookey.com> References: <31D4AA3A.BC0@www.play-hookey.com> <836073421snz@dsl.co.uk> <4r4oup$o76@newsgate.duke.edu> <836115689snz@microvst.demon.co.uk> <4r71bs$bpt@newsgate.duke.edu> <Snews.960701.180806.chris.7414@keris.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kenjb05.play-hookey.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Chris Croughton wrote: > > In article <4r71bs$bpt@newsgate.duke.edu> > reese@chem.duke.edu "Charles Reese" wrote: > > >I also connect via a dial up account, it is to Duke University but it > >shouldn't make much difference who provides your ISP service. If you > >have a shell account on your ISP machine > > You still haven't got it. We don't have shell accounts on Demon's > machines, we have PPP/SLIP directly routing TCP/IP. It's not a > university account, we have our own nodes. If we want a continuous > connection we have to pay for it, not some educational institution. > > > Using this approach has nothing to do with phone charges as I don't > >pay them (its a local call in US) > > Bully for you. We *do* have to pay them, local calls aren't free in the > UK. > I've been having an e-mail discussion of this with Ian Stirling, who is connected to Demon. We've batted it back and forth a number of times, and I still don't see any real solution to the problem in the UK, as long as you are stuck, for whatever reason, with those s-l-o-w links. I mean no offense, but 200 bytes/sec *stinks!* It's a wonder you can do anything useful at all on that basis. The technology exists to speed things up, so that's not the barrier. What kind of regulations, taxes, and other impediments would be applied to an ISP who actually did have a direct, high-speed connection to the backbone and who could therefore offer practical dial-up connections at 14.4 kbaud or higher? Also, what are the chances of establishing a flat fee for local telephone usage? I have a sneaking hunch that that one factor is *the* primary limitation in your system, and that you folks in the UK will be held back until some sort of flat rate becomes possible. Sorry, but the almighty Dollar (or Pound, or whatever) will still rule the roost long after this discussion has faded out. Ken