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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!munnari.OZ.AU!mel.dit.csiro.au!actcsiro!news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!metro!metro!asstdc.scgt.oz.au!nsw.news.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!theos.com!deraadt From: deraadt@theos.com (Theo de Raadt) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc Subject: Re: followup from censored port-i386@Netbsd.ORG Date: 04 Jul 1996 05:58:28 GMT Organization: Theo Ports Kernels For Fun And Profit, Inc. Lines: 53 Message-ID: <DERAADT.96Jul3235828@zeus.theos.com> References: <DERAADT.96Jun23070919@zeus.theos.com> <DERAADT.96Jun24082701@zeus.theos.com> <x7dpw6doi0t.fsf@glacier.MIT.EDU> <4revjl$fva@panix2.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.theos.com In-reply-to: tls@panix.com's message of 3 Jul 1996 19:26:45 -0400 In article <4revjl$fva@panix2.panix.com> tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon) writes: A) Theo was asked to sign a "NetBSD developer's agreement" in order to get CVS access to the source tree. I don't know what the exact chronological order was, but it was mentioned to a number of other NetBSD developers and prospective NetBSD developers that when such a document had been written, they'd need to sign it as well. In fact, for several months *nobody* got new NetBSD developers' accounts because it took so long to get the agreement written; this was inconvenient for everyone involved. 1) *NOBODY* new got access to the source tree while the agreement was being written. Not Theo, not John Kohl, not any of the other people who were waiting. This is false: at least two people got access during that time. I believe you will find two or three chunks in coremail talking about this, I complained about this. I think I was told this would be looked at and fixed; it was not. I think those people were neil and matt. (I have not read coremail myself for a while.. why bother, I've got better things to do, like improve OpenBSD.) I also bet you that other people got accounts during the period when OpenBSD was formed, and the winter Usenix. Hmmmm... I think chuck? So, just how many people did get accounts without needing to sign such a document? B) The agreement wasn't ready until the winter Usenix, or just before; JT produced a nicely formatted sample of such, with a good deal of fanfare, in the brewpub we were all at one night. A few people signed it and got new developers' accounts; I *know* that it was mentioned that everyone would probably need to sign it eventually, but I have a fairly clear memory that JT only had two or three copies with him at the time, which certainly didn't make it practical to do it then and there. I'd love to see this document which I was told to wait months and months for. Not even my bank or government are as slow at producing documents. But that agreement didn't even _exist_ before that, and Greg wasn't there, so I'm not surprised that he doesn't know about it. I am not one to attribute to malice what can reasonably be attributed to accident; I suspect that nobody in core has had the free time to chase down the owners of all of the existing developers' accounts and get them to sign it. Who hasn't signed it yet? -- This space not left unintentionally unblank. deraadt@theos.com