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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.eng.convex.com!newshost.convex.com!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.fido.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!news.looking-glass.org!not-for-mail From: bnb@looking-glass.org (Brian Blackmore) Newsgroups: demon.ip.support,demon.tech.unix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: Batch FTP and Web Pages Date: 4 Jul 1996 20:14:07 +0100 Organization: The Looking Glass Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4rh55v$eq9@gryphon.looking-glass.org> References: <31D4AA3A.BC0@www.play-hookey.com> <836073421snz@dsl.co.uk> <31D87436.7C7F@www.play-hookey.com> <836295557snz@dsl.co.uk> <4rcr6v$dh@anorak.coverform.lan> Reply-To: news-post@looking-glass.org NNTP-Posting-Host: gryphon.looking-glass.org X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gryphon.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Brian's News Reader V0.10 [Linux] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Brian Somers <brian@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> wrote: [ deletion ] >So, what you're saying is that demon - who recently were applying for >another class B address space (about 65000 users currently?) have decided >in their infinite wisdom to invest in a T3? Well, bully for them. Let's >see, 45,000,000 bits / 65,000 users = 692 *bits* each. Woooooffff ! >I'll get out there and start my 86 byte/sec download now ! Ok, maybe >that's a bit unfair. They havn't got the capacity to have everyone >connected at once. Let's say they allow 6000 of us in at once, what's >that, about 937 bytes per second ? In fact, this *wonderful* T3 will >allow a staggering 1607 28.8k users to get max throughput. I'd better >rush home and get in there first. Let me enlighten you, I sit here talking on IRC I am using a grand total of 0 of the american bandwidth. When I'm connected to an american mud I'm using very little bandwidth. Reading a web page on an american site uses no bandwidth once you have downloaded the page. If a packet switched network allocated paths like the telephone system and everyone who connected to demon went to the US then yer, we would be in deep shit. But it isn't, and people don't (in fact a good percentage of people don't even leave demons own internal network). Your above maths is highly suspect. The problem demon have has *never* been lack of knowing what bandwidth they require, the problem has been that various other parties have managed to ensure that either does not come online (take the 2nd T1 AGIS line to the west coast for example, it does actually exist but for technial reasons AGIS have been unable to connect it) or comes online several months late (take the delivery of every single line to the original TPOP's as another example). -- Brian Blackmore http://www.wonderland.org/~eternal/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----