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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!munnari.OZ.AU!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!awfulhak.demon.co.uk!awfulhak.demon.co.uk!awfulhak.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: brian@awfulhak.demon.co.uk (Brian Somers) Newsgroups: demon.ip.support,demon.tech.unix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: Batch FTP and Web Pages Followup-To: demon.ip.support,demon.tech.unix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Date: 8 Jul 1996 14:03:24 +0100 Organization: Coverform Ltd. Lines: 81 Message-ID: <4rr0us$fj@anorak.coverform.lan> References: <31D4AA3A.BC0@www.play-hookey.com> <4rcr6v$dh@anorak.coverform.lan> <4rf3e3$25i@avondale.demon.co.uk> <4rjrkt$ih@anorak.coverform.lan> <4rphs7$158@avondale.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.coverform.lan X-NNTP-Posting-Host: awfulhak.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] John F Hall (jfhall@avondale.demon.co.uk) wrote: : In article <4rjrkt$ih@anorak.coverform.lan>, : Brian Somers <brian@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> wrote: : >Hey ? I'm not talking about dividing anything. : Hmmm, are you then totally incompetent, not even capable of understanding : your own articles? I must be. Explain this "dividing" please. I am obviously not operating at the same competence level as you are. : >Oh give me a break. Haven't you heard of the web ? : Yes, so what? Haven't *you* heard of the other Internet applications? So what do you think.... since the internet was publicised, lots of non-technical people have access. What are they going to do. Understand logging in as "anonymous", asking "archie", using telnet, gopher .... I wonder what they use ? I wonder what percentage un-technical there are on the internet as compared with technical ? I *really* hate to bicker, but IMO, "techies" vs "users" is a very small number these days. : >Does anyone know what percentage of Demon customers use the web ? : Yes, Demon do. Thanks for answering that.... real helpful.... : >Just about every interesting site is in, or points some links to the : >States. : So what? So people follow links.... : >: Don't you think Demon have *measured* the traffic on each route? : > : >No I don't. If they have, why is the throughput lousy ? : Because, as has been explained, the Internet links in the US and the : popular sites are overloaded. Well, the whole point of this discussion is that *I* don't think that it's the US. I think it's the demon->US bandwidth. : >: >We at Demon have only *one* route to the states. : > : >: That's wrong too. : > : >I mean "one route in use". If RIP starts routing stuff some other way, : >(say through UKNET - or is it UUNET?) and not through Demons direct : >connection, that'd just reinforce what I've been saying. : Still wrong. That's been corrected by several people. So why are you : repeating such nonsense. Demon have *several* direct connections of : their own. Right.... so..... if we add the bandwidths of the lines, we have one line.... I'm talking virtual. We're all routing through one router - at least everyone I know on demon connects to demon-du.demon.co.uk. : >1994 was when things started downhill. 1995 was bottom. : >1996 looks promising. : It isn't only Demon that grown explosively in the last two years. So : has the traffic in the US. Demon has had it's bottlenecks from time to : time, but now seems on top of them. However that doesn't mean that : there won't be bottlenecks elsewhere. Ok, I agree with this, there are bottlenecks outside of demon, but I think that the whole UK-US thing is almost completely Demons fault. I believe something along the lines of 1994 = "internet boom", 1995 = "Demon: oh dear, we cannae cope captn". Only now is Demon catching up with demand. -- Brian <brian@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour....