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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!nntp.coast.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!avondale.demon.co.uk!avondale.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: jfhall@avondale.demon.co.uk (John F Hall) Newsgroups: demon.ip.support,demon.tech.unix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: Batch FTP and Web Pages Date: 9 Jul 1996 15:46:09 +0100 Organization: - Lines: 104 Message-ID: <4rtrbh$2s8@avondale.demon.co.uk> References: <31D4AA3A.BC0@www.play-hookey.com> <4rjrkt$ih@anorak.coverform.lan> <4rphs7$158@avondale.demon.co.uk> <4rr0us$fj@anorak.coverform.lan> NNTP-Posting-Host: avondale.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: avondale.demon.co.uk In article <4rr0us$fj@anorak.coverform.lan>, Brian Somers <brian@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> wrote: >John F Hall (jfhall@avondale.demon.co.uk) wrote: >: In article <4rjrkt$ih@anorak.coverform.lan>, >: Brian Somers <brian@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >: >Hey ? I'm not talking about dividing anything. > >: Hmmm, are you then totally incompetent, not even capable of understanding >: your own articles? > >I must be. Explain this "dividing" please. I am obviously not operating >at the same competence level as you are. Message-ID: <4rcr6v$dh@anorak.coverform.lan> "Let's see, 45,000,000 bits / 65,000 users = 692 *bits* each. Woooooffff !" You do know what "division" is??? >: >Oh give me a break. Haven't you heard of the web ? > >: Yes, so what? Haven't *you* heard of the other Internet applications? > >So what do you think.... since the internet was publicised, lots of >non-technical people have access. What are they going to do. Understand >logging in as "anonymous", asking "archie", using telnet, gopher .... >I wonder what they use ? I wonder what percentage un-technical there >are on the internet as compared with technical ? > >I *really* hate to bicker, but IMO, "techies" vs "users" is a very >small number these days. No one is talking about other users, nor "technies" vs "users". *You* have chosen to make various assertions. Do *you* understand what you're talking about? >Well, the whole point of this discussion is that *I* don't think that >it's the US. I think it's the demon->US bandwidth. So you produce totally specious, obviously incorrect arguments. Hardly the way to convince others. >Right.... so..... if we add the bandwidths of the lines, we have one >line.... I'm talking virtual. We're all routing through one router Ah, yes, if you add all the bandwidths together and *pretend* they're one line, there's one line. Big deal. BTW there's *not* just one router. >- at least everyone I know on demon connects to demon-du.demon.co.uk. Ever heard "when you're in a hole, stop digging" - or are you determined to show you don't know what you're talking about! demon-du.demon.co.uk is *not* a router, it's the access computer one dials into. "demon-du" - demon-dial-up - get it? demon-du.demon.co.uk is *not* a single machine, it's a name that is aliased to whichever machine you dial into, of which there are *many*. It's done so that everyone has a single name they can build into access scripts if needed. demon-du.demon.co.uk is nothing to do with routing to the US. traceroute to compuserve.com (149.174.216.15) 1 finch-145.access.demon.net (194.159.253.145) 2 trude-access.router.demon.net (194.159.253.99) 3 core-a.router.demon.net (194.159.252.252) 4 204.6.105.1 (204.6.105.1) 5 t16.sc.psi.net (38.1.3.26) 6 mae-west.sf.compuserve.net (198.32.136.59) 7 hssi3-core.sf.compuserve.net (205.156.223.233) 8 atm1-03-core.arl.compuserve.net (205.156.223.45) 9 205.156.223.53 (205.156.223.53) 10 arl-gw-5.compuserve.com (149.174.216.15) You can call finch-145.access.demon.net demon-du.demon.co.uk if it makes you happy, but that only applies to that particular login. The roundabout way to Columbus Ohio via psi.net, mae-west, and San Fransisco makes me think that that route went down the new line. :-) >: >1994 was when things started downhill. 1995 was bottom. >: >1996 looks promising. > >: It isn't only Demon that grown explosively in the last two years. So >: has the traffic in the US. Demon has had it's bottlenecks from time to >: time, but now seems on top of them. However that doesn't mean that >: there won't be bottlenecks elsewhere. > >Ok, I agree with this, there are bottlenecks outside of demon, but I >think that the whole UK-US thing is almost completely Demons fault. >I believe something along the lines of 1994 = "internet boom", 1995 >= "Demon: oh dear, we cannae cope captn". Only now is Demon catching >up with demand. You're entitled to your beliefs, even to present them to us. But if you want others to share them, produce *sensible* arguments, rather than obvious nonsense. As it is the preponderance of evidence is against you. -- John F Hall jfhall@avondale.demon.co.uk CompuServe: 100016,1210