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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!sgigate.sgi.com!fido.asd.sgi.com!neteng!lm From: lm@neteng.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: TCP latency Followup-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Date: 13 Jul 1996 07:26:19 GMT Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc., Mountain View, CA Lines: 39 Message-ID: <4s7j2r$blf@fido.asd.sgi.com> References: <4paedl$4bm@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> <31E106AF.41C67EA6@dyson.iquest.net> <4rvmtf$ven@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI> <31E3D9E2.41C67EA6@dyson.iquest.net> <4s5bl2$qpg@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI> <31E664EB.167EB0E7@inuxs.att.com> <4s67sk$oa9@fido.asd.sgi.com> <31E6B8AB.3E6C@indy.celebration.net> Reply-To: lm@slovax.engr.sgi.com NNTP-Posting-Host: neteng.engr.sgi.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.networking:45047 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:4014 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:23416 : So have you demonstrated otherwise? You are alluding to the issue : that I am concerned about. It is that the no-load latency figures : don't consider the potential performance hit of even reasonably large : number connections. Also, the lat_tcp benchmark hasn't shown any kind : of real world performance that I see that most of the users of FreeBSD : are interested in. Whine, whine, whine. I'm getting pretty sick of it. You use my tools, complaining all the way, and offer nothing in return. If you want something better, you're welcome to write it. Otherwise, you're just a whiner. : > : You ARE making progress. : > : > You're failing the "oh, please don't be insulting" test again John. : > : Why is it insulting? I feel that the issue of scalability is starting : to be understood and acknowleged. Think about who you are talking about. Here's a guy that has written much of a generic kernel (*nobody* in the BSD camp can come close to saying the same), a guy that is doing a hell of job of outperforming your stuff, and you sit there and say "I feel that the issue of scalability is starting to be understood and acknowleged." Well thanks for your input. I'm sure glad we have you here to tell me that scaling is important. I'll bet Linus is learning a lot from your postings, keep up the good work. : I think that it is best to put this discussion aside until some : benchmarks are run under controlled circumstances, by unbiased : parties, and with benchmarks that actually measure something that : people generally need. I may be biased in which operating system that I want to run, I'll cop to that. But if you are accusing me of publishing fudged numbers in any way, shape, or form, then you're questioning my professional integrity and I take that seriously enough that you'll end up in court. -- --- Larry McVoy lm@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/lm (415) 933-1804