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#! rnews 3420 bsd Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!newshost.convex.com!news.onramp.net!zdc!zdc-e!szdc-e!news From: "John S. Dyson" <toor@dyson.iquest.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: TCP latency Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 09:54:29 -0500 Organization: John S. Dyson's home machine Lines: 49 Message-ID: <31E7B8A5.41C67EA6@dyson.iquest.net> References: <4paedl$4bm@engnews2.eng.sun.com> <4pf7f9$bsf@white.twinsun.com> <4rql4p$39f@innocence.interface-business.de> <4rrimn$dro@fido.asd.sgi.com> <31E16DB5.41C67EA6@dyson.iquest.net> <4rtvpf$7e5@fido.asd.sgi.com> <31E73BCA.41C67EA6@FreeBSD.org> <4s7jsd$blf@fido.asd.sgi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyson.iquest.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5a (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.networking:45082 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:23450 Larry McVoy wrote: > > > : I also noticed > : that the P5/120 numbers were given somewhat rather less attention in > : your speech, and when you really started going on about those P6 numbers > : and how they blew all the other PC benchmarks away (something you > : attributed rather bald-facedly to Linux rather than the hardware), the > : groans of disgust from the FreeBSD section were audible all the way in > : the back. I was scarcely the only one there who got the strong > : impression you were deliberately and knowingly stacking the deck. > > Man, oh, man. So what makes you think that you are important enough that > I'd write a benchmark suite (no small task), then collect a bunch of data, > then write paper, all with the goal of making the *BSD camps look stupid? > Seems like y'all are doing just fine without my help. > Larry, you are bordering on insulting. Actually, you need to see what you look like. Firstly, we have shown that you have made biased conclusions from results. Secondly, you are downplaying the efforts of others. I really don't think that you are qualified to present ANY kind of benchmark results with ANY sort of conclusions because of your obvious disdain and bias. In fact, I would be embarrassed to present anything in public if I was you. At least I am being consistant and publically represent myself as a FreeBSD person. Over and over, I have said that your benchmark suite is useful, but your credibility on interpreting results is nearly ZERO. Your interest in Linux is well known, and I am sorry that the GPL had kept me from accepting the recrutment onto the Linux team a few months ago. Linux does need help from good people, but this no-load latency fiasco (with the total lack of integrity of parties on presenting results), and the misinterpretation of results during USENIX makes me feel as though I would not be working with professional peers, but with lieing children. Notice how important I was when I was asked to help on Linux? and now you try to put me and my efforts down? For the people in the peanut gallery, there are alot of things that go on in the background, but I have been standing firm on two issues: INTEGRITY and the fact that GPL encumberance causes alot of people severe problems. John PS. Larry, thanks for the call!!! I wasn't interested... Especially in GPLed software.