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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.eng.convex.com!newshost.convex.com!bcm.tmc.edu!pendragon!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc!zdc-e!szdc-e!news From: "John S. Dyson" <toor@dyson.iquest.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: TCP latency Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 01:22:31 -0500 Organization: John S. Dyson's home machine Lines: 87 Message-ID: <31E9E3A7.41C67EA6@dyson.iquest.net> References: <4paedl$4bm@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> <31E7C0DD.41C67EA6@dyson.iquest.net> <4s8tcn$jsh@fido.asd.sgi.com> <31E80ACA.167EB0E7@dyson.iquest.net> <4sadde$qsv@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyson.iquest.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5aGold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.networking:45232 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:4048 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:23585 Linus Torvalds wrote: > > In article <31E80ACA.167EB0E7@dyson.iquest.net>, > John S. Dyson <toor@dyson.iquest.net> wrote: > >Larry McVoy wrote: > > > >> It's kind of fun to contrast this with the Linux crowd: > >> > >> BSD guys: "your benchmark sucks! your numbers are wrong! you mislead the > >> world! you suck! whine!" > >> > >> Linux guys: "Hey Larry, the null syscall benchmark is busted because we can > >> do a null syscall in about 1 usec. You need to change it so > >> it times in nanoseconds". > > > >I think that was a kind-of cute situation. We decided NOT > >to special case the syscall that Larry uses for the > >null-syscall case. > > John, John, John, calm down. > > You are suggesting above that YOU did not special case the system call > that Larry uses in lmbench, and by implication you are claiming Linux > does. Very subtly done, but > We could have special cased it to make the benchmark look better, but we did not. We have looked at it carefully, and it has little impact on real-world performance. Historically, a NULL syscall is not a write to /dev/null... That is what the benchmark is, and simply it is NOT IMPORTANT. > > YOU'RE LYING > Look, jerk, you are continuing your stupid, infantile attack on me and FreeBSD. I really don't care about what you think. Secondly yours is the only response that made this allegation like you have. YOU ARE ALONE... Linus, you are an arrogant, self-righteous a**hole... If I acted as stupid as you, I would also be as embarrased as you should be. I DEMAND a public apology. You are the one that has been continuing to making incorrect conclusions about benchmark results. I haven't made any, but I am willing to give analysis of what is going on. Are you a car salesman or something? Anyone working in the real world would see what you are doing as EXTREMELY UNETHICAL behavior. > > Check out the facts before you post. Linux simply _is_ that fast. If we > beat you on system call latency (and I have to admit that I haven't even > looked at the FreeBSD numbers, so I'm just assuming that from your post > above), it's simply because Linux is faster. Not because we "special > case" anything at all. Why can't you accept simple facts? > With the above statement, I charge you with public unethical behaviour. Please apologize. Thank you. > > You're almost as bad as MS in spreading FUD and misinformation. Why the > hell can't you just accept that somebody else is better at something? Or > are you claiming that your system call latency is better than Linux > under load? > Speaking of misinformation, apologize to me publically for your allegation, because it is wrong. Now, Linus, your above statement about me LYING is disgusting. I was NOT lying, and you yourself know it. You are acting like a real jerk. I know that you know that I AM NOT a LIAR, therefore your comment is a serious case of abusing your public position. You have lost all credibility and I fully expect some followups even from the Linux community. I sure hope that this mail was forged, because you have taken your lofty position and destroyed it. I DEMAND A PUBLIC RETRACTION. ADDITIONALLY, I DEMAND A FORMAL WRITTEN APOLOGY or PROOF OF A FORGED USENET POSTING. If you don't it will be a further demonstration of your ill-will, condescending behavior, or mean spiritedness. John