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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!munnari.OZ.AU!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!awfulhak.demon.co.uk!awfulhak.demon.co.uk!awfulhak.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: brian@awfulhak.demon.co.uk (Brian Somers) Newsgroups: demon.ip.support,demon.tech.unix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: Batch FTP and Web Pages Followup-To: demon.ip.support,demon.tech.unix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Date: 17 Jul 1996 11:39:06 +0100 Organization: Coverform Ltd. Lines: 103 Message-ID: <4sifsa$d8@anorak.coverform.lan> References: <4schgu$7t@anorak.coverform.lan> <837555317snz@dsl.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.coverform.lan X-NNTP-Posting-Host: awfulhak.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Brian {Hamilton Kelly} (bhk@dsl.co.uk) wrote: : In article <4schgu$7t@anorak.coverform.lan> : brian@awfulhak.demon.co.uk "Brian Somers" writes: : > Brian Blackmore (bnb@looking-glass.org) wrote: : > : Your knowledge of this subject shows up as being totally crap, by the : > : statement you said above and also by the fact that your news setup : > : breaks RFC1036 (message ID's must have a valid internet domain name : > : after the @ anorak.coverform.lan is *not* a valid internet domain : > : name, if everyone choose stupid domain names and didn't register them : > : there would be clashes all over the place and a Message-Id would not : > : be unique.) : > : </Reality> : > : > Yeah, so you go patch tin so that it allows you to configure : > your article names. : It doesn't require any "patching" of tin; merely that you configure your : system correctly. looking at other headers in your postings, we find: : NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.coverform.lan : X-NNTP-Posting-Host: awfulhak.demon.co.uk : Now the second line is added by Demon's news posting software. It : identifies unequivocally the machine through which the article was : received by Demon. This, amongst other things, prevents Demonites from : forging articles. : The first line was inserted by tin; it reflects the configuration options : that you (or your sysadmin) provided to tin (it's so many years since I : last looked at tin that I cannot remember what this is called). That's innd's inn.conf file. It says: server: localhost Ok, I now realize this is wrong. : So : *someone* has selected localhost.coverform.lan as the name of the node : from which the posting occurred --- we wouldn't have a situation here : where a corporate LAN was being interfaced to the Internet as a Demon : node, would we? No - you havn't considered your options (sometimes known as talking out your ass - but you did give a disclaimer above saying that it's been a while;). What If I choose to have a local domain name that's not on the internet. I *may* have a machine (awfulhak.demon.co.uk) who's host name (sethostname) is awfulhak.coverform.lan. If "server:" is specified in inn.conf, but isn't fully qualified (as above), my DNS stuffs "coverform.lan" at the end. If "server:" isn't specified in inn.conf, the innd sources use gethostname.... Remember, a hostname on a machine that supports more than one interface is not a good thing to use - it's just *one* of many possible host names. IMO, inn should force the user to specify a fully qualified server. : If so, you *are* paying Demon the extra GBP200pa for the : networking option, aren't you? Not applicable of course. : If you're a basic TAM customer, all users : must read and post e-mail and news on just the one machine, and not any : machine on a corporate LAN. : It boils down to the fact that tin has been misconfigured, and is issuing : onto the 'net host names which cannot, and must not, exist (except on a : *completely* local basis). I'm beginning to have suspicions about why you : chose awfulhak as your Demon node name! Ok, I appreciate this. Let me tell you the *real* reason that the names are screwed up. I have a home machine (awfulhak.demon.co.uk) that connects to the net and uploads/downloads news & mail etc (through cron). I have a laptop called anorak.coverform.lan that I plug into the awfulhak.coverform.lan side of my home machine each night - to upload/download news & mail etc. The laptop is the machine that gets used. awfulhak is just a "relay". At one point, I had server: set to "awfulhak.demon.co.uk" on my laptop. This got the article headers right (albeit with two awfulhak entries - one from anorak and the other from awfulhak itself), but left the article name ending with anorak.coverform.lan. I looked into it, and figured that things were ok for the time being - *nobody* is likely to pick that name.... and even if they did, I post at most about 20 articles a day - hardly likely to clash.... I changed server: to localhost so that I'd get an immediate posting (visible to my reader). With awfulhak as server:, I would only see my postings after exchanging news & mail that night (and getting the news sent back from awfulhak to anorak again). My "correct" solution to my problem (and please, don't give me a lecture about downloading to my laptop through awfulhak being *wrong*) is to change the name of my subnet from "coverform.lan" to "awfulhak.demon.co.uk". I'll have to try this - I don't know if I'll be able to get sendmail to understand what I mean. As a matter of interrest, "Coverform" *is* the name of my company - so you were (by chance) pretty close in your original acquisation. However, I am the only employee of this company, and I am the only user of the news that's downloaded from Demon through awfulhak.demon.co.uk. So, I believe that even if what I'm doing is not "to the letter" of my contract with Demon, it's "in the spirit". One account, one user. -- Brian <brian@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour....