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From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Getting off the stick [was Re: TCP latency]
Date: 19 Jul 1996 15:08:42 GMT
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In article <31EDBDA2.41C67EA6@FreeBSD.org> "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@FreeBSD.org> writes:
>watching with interest each and every player who's scrambled aboard the
>Linux commercial software bandwagon with their 3rd-string spreadsheet
>application or aging desktop manager in hopes of making a modest buck,

You'll offend a lot of people with those claims. People like Empress and
Applix are not third string, and their bankbalance says that. Nor are 
WordPerfect corp...

>watching (*BSD runs Linux apps too, so their "victories" are ours too),

Not always. Most commercial applications are licensed for Linux specifically
so you are probably violating the license (do encourage people doing this to
be more reasonable about it if they can - Caldera can't for WordPerfect alas)

>but competetive?  We're not even close, 1 million Linux users or not. 

Surveys suggest we are well past that although its hard to get good figures
because of the nature of Linux. People like X/Open have been reckoning Linux
is over a million seats.

>Pride goeth before the fall.  Face it - porting software to new
>platforms is hard, and most companies won't even bother unless they're
>guaranteed a potential customer base far greater than Linux or *BSD
>could muster combined.

Very very debatable argument. Companies will port a product when

	cost < direct profit + indirect advantages

people who dont work to those kind of equations don't tend to be big. A
guy from S.A.S. summed it nicely - "Show us $1,000,000" of orders and we'll
port it to anything.

The Linux commercial software list is growing quite fast. I don't know how
well the BSD one is doing. Also Linux is picking up big commercial interests
from people with a lot of money (Apple, OSF, SGI, Digital)

That means you must make porting easier - POSIX compliance, strictly compliant
C compilers and libraries etc. 

>hacking on any of the standard areas.  Then where do we go?  Try and get
>that TCP interrupt latency down from 200uSec to 190?  Jesus, what's the
>point?  The users certainly don't give a damn by that stage since

People doing things for fun they enjoy. Not every Linux and BSD hacker is
on a personal crusade against Big Bad Billy. Nor should anyone make it a
requirement. Working well with the old world is a key Linux focus (eg
the ability to work with netware, share files as a client of NT or Windows)

>For us to hold our own against Microsoft, much less gain any ground, we
>need to stop focusing on the classic desktop applications that Microsoft
>has already won for itself and start thinkng more about server

No. You don't win wars by running away. You don't sell many servers without 
desktops[1]. You go straight back at them. You run their applications (eg WINE,
Executor, DOSemu) and you provide a faster cheaper and more stable platform.

[1] Just ask SCO..

Servers are a legitimate target platform too. You provide the full solution
or you lose market share badly.

Alan
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