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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!qns3.qns.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.bb.net!news.blarg.net!blarg.net!vanevery From: vanevery@blarg.net (Brandon J. Van Every) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: Why not buy Matrox Millennium Followup-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Date: 14 Aug 1996 09:11:15 GMT Organization: Blarg! Online Services 206/441-9109 Lines: 51 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4us57j$f0c@guysmiley.blarg.net> References: <4j21ph$crr@slappy.cs.utexas.edu> <stephenkDvp30A.366@netcom.com> <4u7hv4$jcd@agate.nbnet.nb.ca> <slrn50epup.vrk.knaff@choiseul.inrialpes.fr> <4u9oeg$91j@rigel.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> <32093E50.39EB@aloha.net> <slrn50ipqh.a9.cbbrowne@dantzig.brownes.org> <32097C81.167EB0E7@star-gate.com> <3209F875.3652CCE1@pobox.com> <320B5C98.38201961@xinside.com> <320B894A.5BFAB1C1@pobox.com> <4umjgf$d4o@guysmiley.blarg.net> <4umq90$ho4@idefix.CS.kuleuven.ac.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: animal.blarg.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.development.apps:20322 comp.os.linux.development.system:29702 comp.os.linux.x:37902 comp.os.linux.hardware:47425 comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc:1042 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:4610 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:4392 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:25431 Geert Uytterhoeven (geert@cs.kuleuven.ac.be) wrote: : In article <4umjgf$d4o@guysmiley.blarg.net>, vanevery@blarg.net (Brandon J. Van Every) writes: : |> Let's put it another way. The freeware universe, and particularly : |> Linuxers, are always making the mistake of thinking that their market : |> is a gift from God or something. It isn't. It's tiny. It's paltry. : ^^^^^^^^^^ : |> It's growing, but one should keep in mind a certain sense of scale : |> before declaring that someone like Matrox's strategy is : |> "self-defeating." : Yes, it's tiny compared to the rest of the world, but then you forget something : important... : Most Linux users I know do know what's good hardware, and they're willing to : pay for it (for the _hardware_). They don't think you can buy a : state-of-the-art screeming multi-media machine at the local mall for 1000 USD, : like most W95 users do. They do know Matrox boards are great and fast and worth : their money, and they would buy one if XFree would support it. : So the Linux market may be small, but the penetration of high-end graphics : boards is much higher in those tiny market than in the general : home-garden-kitchen W95 market. I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean by "high-end" hardware. If you want REALLY high end, like $1000+, then you'd expect the drivers to come with the board, and you'd expect those drivers to be damn heavily optimized for OpenGL or Direct3D or some such. And writing such drivers is decidedly non-trivial. It's not the hardware that does the job, it's the software. Whereas, this thread has been about Matrox's recalcitrance to offer up specs to non-developers (join the developer program, sign NDA's, then you get specs.) Most Linuxers seem to want 3d baords that they can hack on and play with. That's typically a Millennium board, and Millennium's aren't high-end. It's a commodity graphics card. Put another way, the home-garden-kitchen W95 market buys plenty of Millennium boards from Matrox. That is why they have the power to blow off the Linux market. CHeers, -- Brandon J. Van Every | Check out Free3d, my 100% efficient, 100% portable | 3d lib, at <http://www.blarg.net/~vanevery>. 3d Computer Graphics | C++ UNIX X11 WinNT | E-mail: vanevery@blarg.net