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#! rnews 4814 bsd Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!paladin.american.edu!02-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!01-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.corpcomm.net!funny.bahnhof.se!seunet!news2.swip.net!mn6.swip.net!mn5.swip.net!news From: per.fogelstrom@mailbox.swipnet.se (Per Fogelström) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc Subject: Re: List of OpenBSD changes Date: 18 Aug 1996 08:49:43 GMT Organization: - Lines: 86 Message-ID: <4v6lf7$hme@mn5.swip.net> References: <DERAADT.96Aug8144209@zeus.theos.com> <4ufqap$44i@jan.et.byu.edu> <el2afvvutpu.fsf@zygorthian-space-raiders.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup97-3-14.swipnet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 NNTP-Posting-User: s-47306 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 In article <el2afvvutpu.fsf@zygorthian-space-raiders.MIT.EDU>, mycroft@zygorthian-space-raiders.mit.eduš says... > > >per.fogelstrom@mailbox.swipnet.se (Per Fogelström) writes: > >> >> My choise to work with OpenBSD is not because i dislike anything. Reason is >> that i like the way things are provided and the support and help i get from >> Theo and the rest of the people working with it. Iv'e been pissed of by >> NetBSD people, so what! I helped them with stuff they asked for anyway. What >> would I gain from being rude. >> >> You know, one of the first thing that happened when i started to play around >> with NetBSD several years ago was that i was accused of having insulted >> people on the mailing list! And you know why? Because i told a story about >> how i did a port of NetBSD to my homebuilt Mips R3081 board! Get It!! > >So, because one random person (who has, to my knowledge, never been >named), who happened to be reading port-pmax, sent you that rather So why should i hang him out? I could give out his name but to what avail? >bizarre piece of email, you've decided to use it as an argument >against the NetBSD community? Perhaps you forget, but I just reread >the thread, and everyone else seems to have thought it was quite >bizarre, and even defended you. What am i using as an argument *against*? I thought I was very clear about that i'm not *against* anything. Read the first line of the quote of my first message. I was just giving an example of what one could expect from posting to the lists. If i had to judge a whole community from what one person did or said most of the things in this world would be bad. And yes, your'e right, i was defended by NetBSD people, thank you. On the other hand iv'e been indirectly called "things" by NetBSD people because i work with OpenBSD. But again why would that make *NetBSD* bad. It makes the *person* saying such things bad. My reasons for working with OpenBSD is *not* because i dislike or am against something. NetBSD in particular. >I am also rather seriously disappointed that you have implied that you >didn't get `help' from the NetBSD community. I believe the mailing >list archives say differently. > You people really read in much into a text that isn't there. I never said that i never got any help from NetBSD community. I never said that NetBSD people are bad people, have i? (Except those who *do* or *say* bad things) I *only* said that i *like* the way i can work with the OpenBSD community. Because i choose one flavour of icecream it dosen't mean that all the others are bad. Does it? >In addition, I personally created an account for you last September >(very shortly after being told that you were ready to commit the >`pica' port, and after you sent me passwd information), and then, even >after occasional queries, we heard nothing significant about >integrating the port until *much* later. Soo? Noone asked for it. It had to be cleaned up. You wanted someone to look it over before it was integrated (so should i interpret *that* as my work was not good enough for you, or what? (sic)). I didn't kow who should do that so i dropped it for the moment. UNTIL Jonathan asked me about it and i sent the code to him so he could take it and put it in. My time was limited and i was busy with many other things, but even so, we discussed several things about how to integrate it. So what's your point? That i didn't do things your way? > >I'm not sure how you came to dislike NetBSD, > Not sure? Yeah, i can belive that since you have to invent the reasons too. Read what i write, not what *you* think i write. I have never come to dislike *NetBSD* for any reason. On the contrary I have always helped people especially Jonathan and Manuel when they have asked. So don't put words in my mounth. Thank You. >but certainly none of what you've said here so far seems reasonable. Correction: None of what you said i said seems resonable...