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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mira.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!munnari.OZ.AU!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!news.artisoft.com!usenet From: Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org> Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: IP Masqerading? Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:50:28 -0700 Organization: Me Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3218B774.3D2754EF@lambert.org> References: <jfortes-1307951117380001@10.0.2.15> <32127AB2.21876B97@lambert.org> <4v0lsb$6uv@cronkite.cisco.com> <32151AD0.699795F7@lambert.org> <4v8tcr$8ei@Mercury.mcs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hecate.artisoft.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; Linux 1.1.76 i486) Leslie Mikesell wrote: ] >Given that there are typically better alternatives to NAT in all ] >but a few cases (*real* range translation, for instance), I will ] >pretty much put all NAT usage in the category "indiscriminate use". ] >8-). ] ] Better from what viewpoint? I thought we established that nat ] was cheaper and easier. In every sense but economic. ] How many places using NAT would be comfortable with a non-firewalled ] internet connection if they understood the implications. How many ISP's who charge for multiple addresses would allow inbound connections from NAT hosts? It's a silly question to ask. We both know that the market niche for NAT exists because of an arbitrary economic distinction by ISP's in the first place, and making other arbitrary distinctions does not somehow ennoble the niche. ] >] Obviously, you have something of an axe to grind wrt. NAT ] > ] >My only axe is that it irks the bejesus out of my elegance ] >filter. 8-). ] ] If tcp were elegant, NAT would be too - or there would be no ] need for it. Well, that goes without saying, doesn't it? And if TCP had you connecting to services instead of connecting to hosts, all of our routing problems would go away too. And if wishes were horses, beggars would ride. Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.