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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!munnari.OZ.AU!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.artisoft.com!usenet From: Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org> Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: IP Masqerading? Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:44:56 -0700 Organization: Me Lines: 49 Message-ID: <321A07A8.39D59ED7@lambert.org> References: <jfortes-1307951117380001@10.0.2.15> <32127AB2.21876B97@lambert.org> <4v0lsb$6uv@cronkite.cisco.com> <32151AD0.699795F7@lambert.org> <4vaqgf$2d7@cronkite.cisco.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hecate.artisoft.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; Linux 1.1.76 i486) Tim Iverson wrote: ] |[re: NAT] ] |Basically, it's for lazy people or cheap people. ] |I have no problem with people being cheap, but they should admit ] |... ] |I have a problem with lazy people. But, since I don't want to ] ] Time is money, so cheap and lazy are equivalent. ;-) Assuming time is not a limiting resource... [ ... ] ] Basically, what I think of as NAT is what you think of as ] socks5+daemon, and what you think of as NAT, I think is a ] gross hack best left chained to the fencepost to keep it ] from eating the neighbor's kids. I believe that is typical usage, and the source of demand among the home users. ] |Like I said, it triggers my elegance filter. Nothing personal. ] ] I used to run one of those, but that was back before I discovered ] that each day has a 24 hour limit. ;-) Other than satisfying ] aesthetics, what concrete gains are there for socks5+daemon over ] a smart proxying NAT? I don't see any, especially since I'd call ] a solution that remapped externally bound packets via a local ] S5/daemon 'NAT' -- "a rose by any other name ...". It lets the users continue to thumb their nose at the standards, while letting us kernel geeks keep our yards clean, in the eventual hope of the city citing the users and fining them for their nose-thumbing. We kernel geeks won't force the users to mow their lawns, but our own neighborhoods have protective covenants for a reason. If we wanted to live in the bad part of town, we would code everything in user space (like Windows95) and to hell with everyones lawns, we'll air-drop dandelion seeds from crop-dusters (like Windows95). Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.