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Xref: sserve comp.unix.solaris:484 comp.unix.bsd:7771 Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.bsd Path: sserve!manuel.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!think.com!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!decuac!pa.dec.com!vixie From: vixie@pa.dec.com (Paul A Vixie) Subject: Re: Solaris 1.1 vs. Solaris 2.0 (BSD vs AT&T) In-Reply-To: rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu's message of Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:20:53 GMT Message-ID: <VIXIE.92Nov14194825@cognition.pa.dec.com> Sender: news@PA.dec.com (News) Organization: DEC Network Software Lab References: <kzin.721442926@cc.gatech.edu> <BxLz6x.EL7@cs.uiuc.edu> <1992Nov13.232053.7061@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu> Date: 14 Nov 92 19:48:25 Lines: 30 It has been a long time since I posted a semi-drunken flame to usenet. # There are a lot of reasons to unify the UNIX world under one roof. You # may prefer BSD over SysV, but let's face facts -> BSD is dead. BSD is # the property of UC California, Berkeley, and they are closing it down. # The BSD offices are slowly getting ready to close, and UC has announced # that it does not feel that the University should be functioning as a # source code house. So, without someone to carry that torch, BSD will # slowly die. You mean I'll be back to the 14-character file name limit soon? Or that I'll have to convert all my code from sockets to STREAMS? Or that I'll have to run a 200-kilobyte shell script to add accounts to my computer soon? Or that I'll have to punt X Windows in favor of a DMD5620 or VT100? Or that I'll have to log into ksh or sh since will be removed from my disk? Face it, dude, AT&T doesn't know UNIX from a hole in their ass. USL is even less clueful. System V UNIX is dead. The market opened their eyes and told them "you can't possibly be serious!" and they adopted BSD as the only way to keep selling licenses. POSIX won the interface battle, not SVID. BSD won the users over. If you think a new user would take System V.[01234] seriously as a competitor to Windows/NT or BSD, you are totally out of your freaking mind. These are not, as you probably guessed, the opinions of my employer. -- Paul Vixie, DEC Network Systems Lab Palo Alto, California, USA "Don't be a rebel, or a conformist; <vixie@pa.dec.com> decwrl!vixie they're the same thing, anyway. Find <paul@vix.com> vixie!paul your own path, and stay on it." -me