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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!nntp.coast.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!news.interactive.net!onyx.interactive.net!not-for-mail From: Chris Mauritz <ritz@interactive.net> Subject: Re: FBSD Future... X-Nntp-Posting-User: ritz Sender: news@interactive.net (System Administrator) Organization: IBS Interactive, Inc. Lines: 91 Message-ID: <Dz9wyo.6pA@interactive.net> References: <Dz37x9.7vC@news2.new-york.net> <Dz67yE.8I7@interactive.net> <Dz72I8.8M1@news2.new-york.net> X-Trace: 845309470/8674 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: onyx.interactive.net Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:11:12 GMT Louis Epstein <le@put.com> wrote: :)Chris Mauritz (ritz@interactive.net) wrote: :): Louis Epstein <le@put.com> wrote: :): :)Well,I see that the expected release of 2.2 has been pushed back from :): :)late summer '96 to first quarter '97,quite a jump,and I wonder what :): :)more there is to it past Walnut Creek's desire to keep the CDROMs :): :)semi-annual. :): :): *shrug* :): :): :)I gather that 2.1.6 will be released on the net only,not on CDROM,so :): :)how would one handle an upgrade from 2.1?(No point in going to :): :): Do an FTP install. If you've got a reasonably fat pipe to the :): net, it's rather painless. I did a full install of 2.2-current :): over our T3 the other day and it only took about 15-20 mins. :-) :)So for a 384k...? Dunno. If your 384 isn't heavily loaded, it shouldn't take much longer. :): :)2.1.5 first if 2.1.6 is coming).How long would I have to take my :): :)ISP down to go to 2.1.6,and get it in shape to honor the 9-12 character :): :)IDs enabled by a kernel recompile for my 2.1??And what would I actually :): :)gain by so doing? :): :): If you take your entire site down to do that upgrade you're not :): doing it right. A 486-120 is cheap. Get a spare one and install :): the new OS on the spare machine. Then, a simple dump/restore :): cycle with some minor fiddling should be all you need to do. :)I have two of them,news and main.Would do them one at a time. It's your neck. :-) :)News is a backup radius server,so PPP customers could be authenticated :)while main was busy upgrading,but shell customers and mail would be :)out for that time. You've just finished telling us that your news server can't keep up. Why are you running other services on it that you could put on your other box? Running an ISP on a pair of 486 boxes seems somewhat silly given how ridiculously cheap Pentium and Pentium Pro boxes have become. When you originally cornered me at Unix Expo last year and asked me what hardware to use, you told me that you already purchased 486 boxes. At that time I said if you were already stuck with them to get a lot of memory and the fastest disk controllers and disks you could afford. Obviously, what you got isn't fast enough. If you're getting messages from your provider saying that articles are being flushed from your queue, that means your customers are missing a LOT of articles. It really isn't possible to run an ISP on a shoestring anymore. If you want to play the game, you really will need to pony up some $$$ and buy the necessary hardware to get the job done. Last I checked, a Pentium Pro 200mhz box with 64mb of fast page mode RAM could be had for about $1500. With the exception of your disk controller, you should be able to recycle the rest of your hardware. While you're at it, pick up a pair of Buslogic 946's or 948's and split your disks among them. That should go a long way towards fixing your hardware problems. There was a time where anyone with a 486 and a 56k could call themselves an ISP. Those days are gone. Good luck. :): :)For a got-to-stay-up business like an ISP,it might be better to wait :): :)for a 2.2.x after 2.2R gets its bug reports dealt with...I guess :): :)the first such release is at least 9 months off. :): :): It might even be better to use BSDI. (ducking) :): :): :)(64-bit 3.x is presumably years away still). :): :): I guess you'll need to upgrade to something other than your :): 486-120's then. :-) :)Well,yes. You'd probably be better off upgrading sooner rather than later. Our P166 boxes aren't having any problems keeping up. :) Chris -- Christopher Mauritz | For info on internet access: ritz@interactive.net | finger/mail info@interactive.net OR IBS Interactive, Inc. | http://www.interactive.net/