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Subject: Re: Julian, you notice who I x-post too?
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 13:17:34 -0800
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Stephen Paul Vanier wrote:
> 
> I x-post to alot of get rich quick to mirror them back!  It's what I
> do!So Jim from Jerksville, you have a good story:
> Newsgroups: alt.consciousness.4th-way,alt.consciousness.jancox
> From: kana@Fair.net (Jim from Jerksonville)
> Subject: Re: Living with life.
> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 02:18:20 GMT
> 
> svanier@ix.netcom.com(Stephen Paul Vanier) wrote:
> 
>  besides,
> >when the whole mess collapses, they'll have bailed out with big stock
> >options and golden parachutes  ;-)************(What are these
> feelings?
> > You have fear, insecurities, know them when they are happening,
> 
> I was just being descriptive, not resentful.  I am no longer concerned
> with their practices  ;-)*****(Bullshit, it's called jealousy, go into
> it!)*********
> 
> *(What you mean, if the body becomes
> >total, becomes totally occupied by some task, silence can enter.  You
> >ever get sick, the mind is shut down because all resources are being
> >used to heal the flu?  This is the most blissful of times, no worries,
> >because the mind has no fuel, just be aware and this same situation
> >reveals itself, it's a ledge that you can climb to rid yourself of the
> >fear and anxiety that we all feel during times like this.)
> 
> A very good example.  I recall one of the happiest times of my life
> was a day when I had the flu as a child.  I lay on the living room
> hide-a-bed, so my parents could watch my fever.  I had no worries
> about school or the other things that trouble a child -- just getting
> better.  I had just finished a really inspiring book about travel to
> the stars, closed it, and felt Totally at peace, happy, content --
> something rare, as I was a very nervous child.
> *************(Yes and each year with more and more repressed crap you
> just get doubled over with the weight of life.)**********
> 
> And now that I think of it, I get this same warm fever-but-not-a-fever
> feeling from the Silence.  In fact, I foolishly tried describing some
> of my sensations to what I thought was a sensitive co-worker, and they
> immediately told me to go to a doctor.  Just what I need, to be
> drugged back into robot hood.
> ****************(Oh, this happened to me too, swine and pearls.  I told
> this one gal about merging with the whole, about being alone in
> nothingness without body just a burning spirit so blissful and
> complete, and she was horrified, like I had been with the Devil.  She
> wanted to call the cops, but what for?)************
> 
> *(Labels mean you are confused about what you are
> >experiencing and consoling yourself)***************
> 
> I will agree here.  Cosmologies, theories, labels -- there are
> entirely too many of them in the spiritual movements, which are
> ossifying around "concepts" just the same as the old major religions
> have.  The concepts are a lot shinier, from crystals to channeling,
> but it's the same old shell game.  I was just looking for analogies
> for others, but it's nothing I would hold tight to.  The more concepts
> I can abandon, the better.  The main reason I am trying this group is
> that I know Gurdjieffans are rather hard-nosed, and not going to put
> up with a lot of Pink Light theorizing, or repetition of the Universe
> Accoring to Shirley MacClaine  ;-)
> 
> Besides, I already answered that idea to myself once.  I once
> postulated that they had finally discovered the Grand Unified Theory,
> and a combination of physcists and mystics had answered Everything and
> written it in a Very Large Book.  Assume this is true.
> 
> So what?  It wouldn't mean a damn thing to our being in the world, or
> the mystery of our existence.  Not if every single question we could
> possibly ask was answered.  Have one recording machine ask the
> questions and another one answer them all day long, and it would do
> you as good.
> ************(What are you talking about?  Who are you talking
> too?)********************
> 
> *(Is what I say about being aware that you are
> >looking out the eyes to see, that whatever is conscious in you can
> grab
> >the moment and just force itself to awaken, to be totally present?
> >This state is so ordinary, yet you can't remain there, you wake
> totally
> >up and you go "So?  So what?" But in going "So, So what?" This is the
> >first sign of the ego putting this state down, being negative, it is
> >subtly gaining control of the situation again, and you are subtly
> >falling back to sleep which is the worries and the fears that you
> >feel)******
> 
> And this gets the most agreement of all.  The ego is a Sneaky devil..
> You know, I Still go through some of my old emotional routines, even
> when the Emotion isn't there.  Habit is Sooooo strong.  And one drifts
> off into reverie and ugly thinking Soooo easily.  It bears continual
> watching.  The one thing that is with me is simply that the old state
> of mind was Painful compared to the new.  Yet the painful state of
> mind still seems to Attract -- like a magnet.  Perhaps because it is
> so noisy -- it gets your attention, like the squeaky wheel.  And I am
> Well aware of this dangerous "so what"  So what am I gaining by this?
> So maybe it's just a delusion, or I just feel so good because I'm
> about to get a fever and have that pleasant pre-flu lassitude.  So how
> have I changed?  And I Still have a crummy job  ;-)  ha, ha, ha.  The
> ego is Really hitting me with everything it's got.  Now and then I
> think "I wish I was dead" and that Really scares the ego -- which
> tries to convince me I'm going crazy.  But I know exactly what I'm
> about.  I mean the Peace of ego-death, not physical death.
> 
> Nearly All the trouble in the world comes because one ego wants to
> impress other egos, and yet they are all fictitious entities.  What a
> very strange joke on us all.
> **********************(Tonight I went to dinner with my partner, and he
> was there and I was there and Judi was there, and I started to tell a
> story about Samson and my Jaw, and I said two three words and he cuts
> me off and starts to tell this other story that he knew on my subject
> which was a new subject.  I cut him off, "Do you ever wonder what I
> would have talked about if you hadn't just cut me off?"  And nobody
> listens, so I am like another Mystic, "I'm a parrot on a pole for forty
> years, and nobody to hear!"  Said Kabir.
> 
>   All this pain, caused by nonexistent,
> imaginary constructs trying to impress other nonexistent, imaginary
> constructs.  There is some sort of flaw in our wiring, it seems to me.
> ************(Nobody home at all, just a happening, of energy, of the
> play of society of the ant farm.  Not even worth a capital
> letter.)************
>   I have friends that are just so much in a crisis
> >that no matter what they do, it's a crisis.  They need a vacation from
> >life, because living in a crisis is a burden.  Relax, the world is
> >controlled by God, and all will be well, and in short order too!)*
> 
> Yes, we'll all be dead -- ha, ha, ha.  I begin to see what Walt
> Whitman meant when he said that was a state that was luckier than
> could be imagined.
> 
> Still, it's Very hard to stay awake when the very Design of the world,
> especially if you have to live and work and survive in it, is designed
> to get you so preoccupied with its craziness, that you fall asleep
> again.  Although it's a rather Noisy sleep.
> 
> It is certainly true about your friends, though.  Most crises Are
> self-generated.  And Very habitual.  I am Still, now and then, going
> through an old conflict that I really should drop.  But sometimes,
> when I am not quite myself, my body, mind, and mouth move into it
> Automatically.  What we do is largely automatism, and I thought that
> would stop immediately -- but I have discovered that it has great
> Inertia, and will probably take a while to wind down.  It may even try
> to get me into trouble so I'll forget what I'm about.  Although I am
> not Sure what I am about.  As Judi mentions in a post, it is more in
> the nature of a gift that does not have to be understood, just opened.
> 
> But it is a gift that I think is a bit slippery at first  --
> hopefully, my grip will improve  ;-)
> ******************(You want the truth?  I would guess and my guess is
> about as good as an answer of anyone you know.  I would guess that you
> can stay awake looking at Gurdjieff's second hand watch test, maybe
> seven seconds and a normal person is five or six, but still that 20
> percent more than everyone else.  Just a bit more, but noticeable,
> especially when crisis hit.  But what's that mean?  You have hardly
> started, and I'm tough, as tough a teacher as they come, and I don't
> ever stop form self-observation, and even now, with a self induced
> labotomy done naturally by nature, as the mind refines itself to just a
> problem solving wisper, I still think much work needs to be done on my
> own machine, so I say to you, "pull the beam from your own eye, and
> cease to worry about your neighbors splinter!:
> 
> kana@fair.net <Jim Mooney>  Friend of Coyote, the Trickster --
> Aarrrooooooo!
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