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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!lucy.swin.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.wildstar.net!serv.hinet.net!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!surfnet.nl!news.unisource.nl!xs4all!plm.xs4all.nl!plm From: Peter Mutsaers <plm@xs4all.nl> Subject: Re: Linux vs whatever X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.2.39/Emacs 19.34 Sender: plm@localhost.xs4all.nl Organization: My Unorganized Home Lines: 42 Message-ID: <877mkxslwx.fsf@localhost.xs4all.nl> References: <32DFFEAB.7704@usa.net> <5c155c$p6u@raven.eva.net> <5c19pg$rf6@lynx.dac.neu.edu> <5c39sk$ddl@troma.rv.tis.com> <5c8jlm$50u@cynic.portal.ca> <m23evrulla.fsf@desk.crynwr.com> <32EA25AB.41C67EA6@freebsd.org> <5qC7y0gTzDLB091yn@ibm.net> <32ECB442.41C67EA6@freebsd.org> <32ED1866.34F02393@indiana.edu> <32ED4897.193@indy.celebration.net> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 18:18:54 GMT Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.misc:154807 comp.os.linux.networking:66463 comp.os.linux.setup:94360 comp.unix.bsd.misc:2084 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy:51242 comp.os.os2.advocacy:264076 >> On Mon, 27 Jan 1997 16:32:10 -0800, "John S. Dyson" >> <dyson@indy.celebration.net> said: JSD> When improvements are made to or technology is added to GPLed JSD> software in order to gain some competitive advantage, those JSD> changes become encumbered by the GPLs redistribution JSD> requirements. It is possible that those changes are a JSD> considerable body of work in themselves. Even though the JSD> original GPLed work continues to be available in it's JSD> entirety, it is considered to be "hoarding" by many GPL JSD> advocates if the source code of that new, added body of work JSD> would not redistributed. GPL encumbers the new source code JSD> (or IP) by forcing it's redistribution if the object code is JSD> distributed. In theory GPL is bad in commercial circumstances, where distributing source code may be a problem. In practice however I don't see the problem. The fact that Linux can use GPL'd code makes that sometimes it can develop faster. All in all Linux is used much more in commercial settings, although FreeBSD is clearly better. The boycott of GPL means a slowdown of development which seems far more damaging to commercial use. Also in commercial settings GPL'd code is used quite a lot. I know of many commercial packages (such as several expensive real-time kernels, OSI stack software, etc. etc.) that use gcc, gdb etc. Also GNU stuff is used a lot in commercial environments. I've worked for 4 companies and in all of them GNU products (including Linux at 2 sites) were used extensively. Also commercial products begin to appear for Linux more and more. Not much for FreeBSD. Are there any real and important examples of use of *BSD stuff in commercial environments or applications that are possible because it is not under the GPL? This eternal anti GPL discussion appears to me to have only theoretical value, which is damaging to FreeBSD's progress (take the ISDN part as an example, resulting in many that went with Linux in the Netherlands because of lack of support for ISDN under FreeBSD). -- Peter Mutsaers | Abcoude (Utrecht), | Trust is a good quality plm@xs4all.nl | the Netherlands | for other people to have