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From: doug@qnx.com (Doug Santry)
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Subject: Re: Betting on Unix
Date: 4 Feb 1997 15:16:37 -0500
Organization: QNX Software Systems
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In article <nLVF2tL@quack.kfu.com>, Nick Sayer <nsayer@quack.kfu.com> wrote:
>
>Those predictions are too focused. I think more broad predictions
>are called for.
>
>It is not difficult to predict that PCI is going to be the bus of
>choice.

Maybe.

>I see the PPC CHiRP platform being the next industry platform of choice.
>Look at the past: The success of a platform has in large part been
>directly proportional to the number of manufacturers that have made the
>hardware (yes, Apple is the one glaring exception to this). A countless
>number of vendors make x86 machines, a perhaps not so countless, but
>non-trivial number of manufacturers make sparc machines. By contrast,
>one manufacturer makes Alpha machines, one manufacturer makes PA-risc
>machines.

HP has teamed up with intel with its PA-RISC arch. in hand.  It will be
interesting to see what they do with it.

>As for OS, there was an article in one of the magazines that opined that
>vis-a-vis NT, "The honeymoon is over." I have heard many a nightmarish
>tale about NT4.0 being unable to run on otherwise perfectly good
>hardware, and huge mountains of software that runs under win95 but
>refuses to under NT4. I may be a unix bigot, but if NT is the answer,
>it must be a stupid question.
>
>What would make Unix' future? Scott MacNeily can whine about Microsoft
>desktops wasting monumental amounts of admin time and energy if he
>likes, but unix will die without applications. If WABI or Wine can
>run Office-95, then that's one way. If not, then Sun or someone else
>needs to make an office productivity suite for Unix. It is in the
>application arena that an OS lives or dies. If applications are

Here I think you are dead wrong.  Unix doesn't want to be on your
secretary's desk, nor in every den in the world.  It is for serious
programming projects/research.   It doesn't want, not is it well
suited for, day to day office typing.

>as plentiful and priced equally ($300 for Word and $1500 for
>Framemaker?!), then at long last the OS wars will be fought on
>even footing.

W95 and Unix were conceived for different applications from the get go
and both are happy where they are.  They aren't meant to compete with
each other.

>But Unix' achiles heel is that its compatability is only at source
>level. Each CPU requires its own compiler, and each OS requires its

As with NT et al.

>own libraries. This, truly, is POSIX's next task - Application
>independence at the shared library level. If I have an x86 ELF
>binary, it should not matter what OS it was compiled on, I should

No way.

>be able to run it without modification or without fetching the
>libraries from somewhere. Unix is heading in this direction,
>but the quicker it gets there, the quicker it will be seen as an
>equal platform. And the quicker the applications will be ported
>to it.

I don't know what you are saying here.  Equal platform?  To what?

DJS