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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.wildstar.net!news.ececs.uc.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-atl-21.sprintlink.net!news.rain.net!pacifier!deraadt From: deraadt@theos.com (Theo de Raadt) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.security.unix Subject: Re: Careless integration of others' code (WAS Re: Why no addusr?) Date: 16 Feb 1997 04:20:32 GMT Organization: Theo Ports Kernels For Fun And Profit Lines: 49 Message-ID: <DERAADT.97Feb15212032@zeus.pacifier.com> References: <none-ya023480001912962244220001@news.infi.net> <DERAADT.97Feb14205132@zeus.pacifier.com> <5e52dj$c8p@news.bayarea.net> <DERAADT.97Feb15155022@zeus.pacifier.com> <5e5vkb$d89@panix2.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.theos.com In-reply-to: tls@panix.com's message of 15 Feb 1997 22:40:59 -0500 Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:5382 comp.security.unix:31766 In article <5e5vkb$d89@panix2.panix.com> tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon) writes: You hold OpenBSD up as a paragon of security, and yet integrate critical pieces of code such as locore.s without even reading them?! Really, security has very little to do with a kernel that cold-resets the machine at boot. The code wasn't commited until it worked. That took a while, of course. That #ifndef change was designed to cause difficulties. It succeeded. I think it is also going to succeed at making the NetBSD project (or members) look really vendictive. The issue is not about how we go about integrating NetBSD code. The issue is how NetBSD goes about trying to make it harder for us to integrate the code. I hate to think just what might be lurking in all those FSF tools that OpenBSD ships wholesale, unmodified. Or any of the other myriad new code that OpenBSD has integrated from any number of external sources? You are making a lot of stories up and discreding a lot of hard work by a lot of people. OpenBSD members are not discrediting the hard work of NetBSD members -- we incorporate changes from all camps and we give credit where we can. I just having a terrible time dealing with your lies, red herrings, suggestions of bad work, and thus the continual slander of the hard work people in this team are doing here! I also find your suggestion that Cygnus employees or FSF people would go through the same kinds of efforts Chris Demetriou went through absolutely laughable. Are you sure you want to be making such a suggestion? We never expected such an act of sabotage from Chris Demetriou, and moreover we never expected that after complaints had been made to NetBSD core members about this issue, it still took weeks to get it fixed. By the time it was fixed many developers in the Linux camp knew about it already. Speaking of Linux, I have to go do some hacking. Due to cooperation, I am about to apply a networking patch sent to me by a Linux developer. Too bad people in the *BSD community can't cooperate as well as this. Hmm, wait, perhaps I should check if this patch David Miller sent me isn't perhaps gonna make my kernels crash! ;-) -- This space not left unintentionally unblank. deraadt@theos.com www.OpenBSD.org -- We're fixing security problems so you can sleep at night.