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From: j@ida.interface-business.de (J Wunsch)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux vs BSD
Date: 12 Feb 1997 11:45:45 GMT
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exfjnzl@rbf.apfh.rqh (Ravi K. Swamy) wrote:

> >Well, but that's only a performance problem.  Just to prevent
> >miscomprehension: FreeBSD runs of course fine on IDE drives, too.
> 
> But what about the various IDE interfaces?  I seem to remember a 
> FreeBSD core member stating that 3 out of 5 IDE interfaces were
> broken and that like all sane people everybody should go out and
> buy a good SCSI controller and SCSI drives.  Well that's a perfectly

First: FreeBSD core-team members are just persons.  Unless they mark
it expressedly otherwise, they first and foremost present their very
own opinions, and nothing else.  I wouldn't assume you would represent
the opinion of NCSU just because that's where you're posting from.

Then, yes, at some time back, there were 3 out of 5 IDE chipsets
around buggy and broken enough to not even think about using them _in
DMA mode_.  At least, that's how i understand it.  (Apart from my
notebook, i don't run IDE disks on any of my machines.)  If Terry
Lambert's opinion was right, not even Win 95 and other more in the PC
line operating systems tried to use DMA on them.

>   I've got one
> of those RZ1000's with the buggy read ahead.  Does FreeBSD work with
> this in a safe manner?

Safe: yes.  It doesn't use DMA mode, and PIO mode is ok.  But it eats
up CPU cycles.  If your CPU is going to be idle all the time, that's
probably nothing you would notice (and indeed, you could get good
single-tasking performance then with a fast disk drive), but i
wouldn't burn the valuable cycles of an 486/33 CPU with it. :-)

>  What about the buggy CMD640's?   Are 

Somebody posted a workaround for their brokeness recently.  Still,
many people certainly wouldn't trust such a broken chipset at all (who
knows if it will wipe out your disk some day if they couldn't even get
the simplest tasks right?), but i also think it will find its way into
the source tree.  (For those who don't know: the CMD640 cannot handle
both controller channels simultaneously.  And no, you don't tell me
news by explaining me that Linux can handle them, nor am i surprised
about this.)

> IDE/ATAPI CD-ROMS supported?

Of course.  Those that adhered well to the ATAPI standard were already
in FreeBSD 2.1.x, but unfortunately, only the minority of CD-ROM
vendors seem to make standard conformity their virtue.  FreeBSD 2.2
(and higher) supports probably 80 or 90 % of the drives, leaving out
only those that seriously break with standards.  You'll note that
these drives usually don't run with a generic driver under something
like windows either, but require vendor drivers there.

-- 
J"org Wunsch					       Unix support engineer
joerg_wunsch@interface-business.de       http://www.interface-business.de/~j