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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!fu-berlin.de!news.gtn.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!165.87.194.248!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net!not-for-mail From: pcguido@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy Subject: Re: Betting on Unix Date: 9 Mar 1997 23:49:50 GMT Lines: 66 Message-ID: <5fviau$1st8$3@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> References: <5d3sr2$44n@nntp1.best.com> <5ddcvf$4dh@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov> <330a1d23.2419719@172.15.0.208> <5ef5c8$rgs@arktur.rz.uni-ulm.de> <5f6fhq$el0@faculty.ed.umuc.edu> <5fsihd$oa7@bignews.shef.ac.uk> Reply-To: pgguido@ibm.net NNTP-Posting-Host: slip166-72-210-132.ca.us.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 2.0 Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.misc:163674 comp.os.linux.networking:71446 comp.os.linux.setup:101832 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:6273 comp.unix.bsd.misc:2770 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy:56475 comp.os.os2.advocacy:273399 In <5fsihd$oa7@bignews.shef.ac.uk>, kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) writes: |Robb Shecter (rshecter@faculty.ed.umuc.edu) wrote: |: In article <5ef5c8$rgs@arktur.rz.uni-ulm.de>, |: Stephan Pfab <pfab@mathematik.uni-ulm.de> wrote: |: >edward@islandnet.com wrote: | |: There's something being missed here, though: Ancient programs like vi |: and emacs that require the user to memorize a million keystrokes are just |: too hard to use. | |Million? | |More like a couple of dozen max. Either that, or your version(s) |of vi are more capable than mine. (MKS Toolkit for OS/2, SCO |UNIX 5.0.2, SunOS, etc.) | |: After all, these editors are the means, not the end. They should be |: blindingly easy to use, like a Windows program. | |Since when are Windows programmes blindingly easy to use? | |For me, use vi with [nt]roff and doing something like | |..IP tag number | |is a hell of a lot easier as a way to get a paragraph with a |hanging indent than anything I've seen in Windows programmes. | |: Emacs, vi & kin are asking us to do the equivalent of memorizing everything |: we've ever learned, word for word. | |Rubbish. | |An analogy. | |When you are driving and want to make a left turn, do you recall, |via rote memorization, the instructions from the [state of your |choice] vehicle code for "when making a left turn against |opposing traffic"? | |Unless you have an IQ at a level that qualifies you for sheltered |employment, if you've done it more than two or three times, you |remember it. It becomes automatic. | |Earl H. Kinmonth, Kanji Users Service Operation (KUSO!), |University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2UJ Sheltered Employement? You mean like, User Services for Kanji users at an English University? BTW Earl, we're sure that _your_ IQ qualifies you for just such shelter. Phil "Guido" Cava TeamOS/2 Help, PC! Let us help you achieve Warp Speed today! email at: pcguido@ibm.net > Proud Member: Jeff Glatt OS/2 Zealots list, 01-MAR-97! Phil "Guido" Cava TeamOS/2 Help, PC! Let us help you achieve Warp Speed today! email at: pcguido@ibm.net > Proud Member: Jeff Glatt OS/2 Zealots list, 01-MAR-97!