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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.carno.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.wildstar.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!visi.com!jdege From: jdege@jdege.visi.com (Jeffrey C. Dege) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Betting on Unix Date: 15 Mar 1997 14:41:44 GMT Organization: As little as possible Lines: 40 Message-ID: <slrn5ildem.d2.jdege@jdege.visi.com> References: <5d3sr2$44n@nntp1.best.com> <5fknj1$bfb@web.nmti.com> <5fn3kr$s6k$1@jupiter.mcs.net> <5fsull$gqd@web.nmti.com> <5g02nk$q63$1@Venus.mcs.net> <5g0je7$fk3@ousrvr3.oulu.fi> <3332502d.480155877@206.149.24.10> Reply-To: trimthis_jdege@jdege.visi.com_trimthis NNTP-Posting-Host: jdege.visi.com X-Newsreader: slrn (0.8.6.1) Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.misc:164532 comp.os.linux.networking:71995 comp.os.linux.setup:102607 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:6330 comp.unix.bsd.misc:2804 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy:56946 On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 08:00:18 GMT, Bob Young <rkyoung@flash.net> wrote: >tuoppi@stekt.oulu.fi (Tuomas Haarala) wrote: > >>Leslie Mikesell (les@MCS.COM) wrote: >> Most of the trouble with these "wysiwyg"-programs is that >> that you can see what you've managed to do, but you don't >> have a slightest idea how to get what you want. (Of course, >> in time you will adapt and stop demanding so much..) > >ROTFL. There it is, the slogan to take us into the next century; > "Adapt - Demand less of your software!" I don't see it as demanding less, but demanding the appropriate tools for the task. The fundamental characteristic of wysiwyg systems is that you get to where you want to go by manipulating the system, with constant feedback as you go along. This is a very powerful technique, and is appropriate for most computing tasks. The problem is that there are certain tasks that it isn't suited for. Programming, for example, system administration, etc., and other technical tasks better served by _specifying_ what you want, in such a way that the process is fully repeatable without further human intervention. If I want a set of installation disks for a specific version of a piece of software, I type ``cvs checkout -rVER_2_1 foobar'', then ``make install'', and everything happens exactly the same way it did before. I _don't_ want to make choices as I go along, I don't want to _have_ choices as I go along. The choices have already been made. That doesn't mean that it can't have a point-and-click interface, but it _cannot_, by its very nature, have a evolutionary, do-a-bit, see-where-you-are, do-a-bit-more mechanism. The process must be fully specified in advance. -- The Windows API has done more to retard skill development than anything since COBOL maintenance. --Larry O'Brien