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Received: by minnie.vk1xwt.ampr.org with NNTP id AA5197 ; Tue, 22 Dec 92 09:01:19 EST Path: sserve!manuel.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!agate!agate.berkeley.edu!cgd From: cgd@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Chris G. Demetriou) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd Subject: Re: Dumb Question: Why 512 byte block? Date: 19 Dec 92 00:07:39 Organization: Kernel Hackers 'r' Us Lines: 62 Message-ID: <CGD.92Dec19000739@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU> References: <1992Dec18.005050.20594@decuac.dec.com> <1992Dec18.030833.7395@fcom.cc.utah.edu> <1gt736INNjje@menudo.uh.edu> <1992Dec18.235623.27538@fcom.cc.utah.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: eden.cs.berkeley.edu In-reply-to: terry@cs.weber.edu's message of 18 Dec 92 23:56:23 GMT In article <1992Dec18.235623.27538@fcom.cc.utah.edu> terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) writes: >>I did not think that Fast Unix File System works this way. >>If you have 6 1.5K files using 1K blocks, >> 6 1k blocks will take each 1K from each file, and >> 3 1k blocks will take 0.5k from each file. >>This was my understading from the famous FUFS paper. > >You can't split blocks between files. A block is, by definition, the >smallest possible allocation unit. Thin about the case where you have >a 1 byte file and a 1 block - 1 byte file; what would you do when >adding one or two characters to the first (1 Byte)? TReallocate? Shift >and reallocate for the last byte of the second file? sorry. you guys *both* sound confused. first of all, i've never seen a FFS with 1k blocks; the most "standard" configuration is 4k or 8k blocks, with 8 fragments. this yields fragments of (obviously) 512bytes and 1k. you can't split *fragments* between one file. you *can* split blocks between one file, but this tends not to happen, because the FFS doesn't do this unless it's necessary. so: if you have 6 1.5k files, and the following filesystem setups, you get the following results: 8k blocks, 8frags/block: 6 blocks assigned, but major fragmentation... (actually, only 12 frags are used. if your filesystem is near full, < 6 blocks will be assigned). total space "actually used": 12k 8k blocks, 4frags/block: 6 blocks assigned, but major fragmentation... (actually, only 6 frags are used. if your filesystem is near full, < 6 blocks will be assigned). total space "actually used": 12k 4k blocks, 8frags/block: 6 blocks assigned, but major fragmentation... (actually, only 18 frags are used. if your filesystem is near full, < 6 blocks will be assigned). total space "actually used": 9k 4k blocks, 4frags/block: 6 blocks assigned, fragmentation "not too bad"... (actually, 12 frags are used. if your filesystem is near full, < 6 blocks will be assigned). total space "actually used": 12k Chris -- Chris G. Demetriou cgd@cs.berkeley.edu "Sometimes it is better to have twenty million instructions by Friday than twenty million instructions per second." -- Wes Clark